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#83387	07/23/2021 9:43:44 am	Apr 7th, 2051
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	The Cleveland Guardians? The team settled for safe and boring – Terry Pluto Steve
#83391	07/23/2021 10:48:47 am	Apr 7th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	It's safe and boring, but so are most classic team names, honestly. I don't think it's a fantastic name, but it's not bad either. The whole image feels really close to the Indians, too, which is nice.
#83394	07/23/2021 11:44:43 am	Apr 7th, 2051	Ignore
hardhat Joined: 05/26/2013 Posts: 203 Oceanview Woods Grizzlies Legends	Given that there are two MLB teams named after socks, I think Guardians is basically fine. I was confused about it at first but after reading a bit about the context, the name makes more sense (statues on the Hope memorial bridge outside the stadium)
#83396	07/23/2021 2:54:18 pm	Apr 7th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	As someone who is part Native American, I think its a shame they felt the need to distance themselves from Native American culture. Personally I find it to be very exclusive of them. Its ok to have "American" names like Patriots or Cowboy, but we couldn't possibly name a team based on the original inhabitants of this country. This choice is just marginalizing an entire group of people and showing absolutely no respect for Native American culture. Very racist choice on Cleveland's part. The fact they couldn't understand the distinction between "Indians" and "Redskins", or why one of those terms would be considered more offensive shows true ignorance. Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 3:16:43 pm PDT
#83398	07/23/2021 3:08:11 pm	Apr 8th, 2051	Ignore
electriceel883 Joined: 05/26/2021 Posts: 1530 Irvine Infernos IV.6	I dont really like the name. And yes, I see the point about the difference between Indians and Redskins. Personally I thought they should have returned to being called the Spiders, though I knew they wouldnt be
#83408	07/23/2021 6:27:57 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Jason2327 Joined: 09/02/2014 Posts: 750 Abilene Patriots IV.4	I absolutely hate it. I am so tired of the cancel culture in our country being in over drive mode right now
#83409	07/23/2021 6:40:21 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Yes! Someone please cancel "Cancel Culture". The whole thing is just based on hypocrisy, ignorance, and intolerance.
#83410	07/23/2021 6:43:15 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
timothy Joined: 03/18/2020 Posts: 208 West Fargo Turtles V.4	Ugh. No political posts, I thought?
#83411	07/23/2021 6:47:05 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	Yeah, this is getting very political very fast. Not sure I like it, and I don't want to get into debates either.
#83412	07/23/2021 6:49:06 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	I don't know how this is related to politics in any way? But I will grant we have ventured outside of pure baseball and into philosophy and sociology (which can be just as dangerous as politics). Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 6:49:36 pm PDT
#83413	07/23/2021 6:51:18 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	The whole "Cancel Culture" situation is used by people on one end of the political spectrum a lot to define people they don't agree with on the other side of the political spectrum, whether it's justified or not. It's hard not to mix social issues with political ones, usually. I mean, politics really are just a mix of social and economical issues, in general. Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 6:52:10 pm PDT
#83414	07/23/2021 6:54:19 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Is it? I wouldn't know since I don't pay attention to politics (and I'm a GDI). I know what the concept is though. And this logo is certainly a good example. Kind of like if someone says "pro life" or "pro choice", I know what both mean.
#83415	07/23/2021 7:01:25 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	Well, usually, you'll have people on one side describing "cancel culture" as a very real thing that's affecting us all and how the other side is losing their grasp on reality. And on the other side, you'll have people saying it's not "cancel culture", but just how sensitivities are evolving over time and whatnot, and how the other side is just focusing on petty issues, usually, that aren't even about cancelling things. Honestly, I usually stand somewhere in the middle on the issue, although I do usually think we make too much of a big deal about things in general, whether it's outrage about things, or outrage about people being outraged about things. *shrug*
#83416	07/23/2021 7:06:14 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Hopefully this isn't getting political, but to me personally: 1) "Redskins" is an offensive term. Should have been replace long ago. 2) I have not problem with a caricature of a Native American, but I understand some people do. I think it is a bit unfair that white people can have caricatures but Native Americans can not 3) There was no need to change the name just because you change the logo. Why not have a logo of a proud Native American. I fell the decision to change the name shows disrespect to Native Americans. That is why I don't like the logo. I feel it is disrespectful. Also, its just a bad logo
#83417	07/23/2021 7:09:57 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	As long as we don't lose the Braves I will recover If we lose the Braves I will be super pissed.
#83418	07/23/2021 7:10:08 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	I agree, honestly, that there could have been other ways to do it. It kinda seems like it came out of nowhere, but hey, if that's how they wanted to do it, more power to them!
#83419	07/23/2021 7:11:17 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	I don't think the Braves will change their name, just like I don't think the Chiefs will. Their names are just abstract enough to not cause any kind of whatever with most people.
#83420	07/23/2021 7:15:58 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Indians was kind of generic. Braves, Chiefs, and Blackhawks are all empowering. I would feel very sad to lose any of those. I still don't like the new name or logo though. Guardians seems pretty lame. I do wonder if Cowboys is next on the chopping block. After all, there is the whole "Cowboys and Indians" thing which isn't so great. Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 7:17:20 pm PDT
#83421	07/23/2021 7:21:45 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	I'd be very surprised, too. Texas and Cowboys, along with being America's team. Honestly, would be very surprising if it ever changed.
#83422	07/23/2021 7:23:28 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	But it is kind of offensive (at least I think it is). So it could be the next one targeted. Cancel Culture (or whatever the Politically Correct term is) is all about riding momentum. There is always a next target. BTW, I might be using the term wrong. I'm referring to that thing we do in our society now where we blackball people? Like actors and stuff. Like McCarthyism. Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 7:31:32 pm PDT
#83423	07/23/2021 7:47:42 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	Cancel Culture is not a national organization or anything. They don't have monthly meetings to decide what they'll cancel next. Hell, I'd even argue that "real" Cancel Culture in general is just the sentiment of a few very vocal people, but we have a tendency to just put any kind of "change" that could be seen as problematic for some into the "cancel culture pool". I think a good question we need to ask ourselves is, who has been blackballed without a reason, really? How many actors have lost contracts because of things that weren't worth losing contracts over? And how many of these were directly because of cancel culture over studios not wanting to lose face? I think it's worth thinking over, because we (and I include myself in that) often have a tendency to just group together things that happen for completely different reasons under a common umbrella, when it really isn't. Of course there has been some cases where it went a little too far, but that's what always happens when you have major shifts in global social mentalities, and there isn't much we can do about it, for better or for worse. There's some good in all that "trend" or whatever we want to call it, though. We can't forget that!
#83424	07/23/2021 7:57:17 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Again, I might be using terms wrong as I am not a political person. To me, as an outsider looking in. A lot of celebrities were blackballed back then. A lot of celebrities are blackballed today. The people doing the blackballing felt they were in the right. The people being blackballed were cut out of society. So as an outsider it looks like the same thing. I'm sure I am missing plenty of nuance.
#83425	07/23/2021 8:04:06 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	McCarthyism was about actors being presumably communists. Whatever is happening today mostly has to do with very suspicious thins actors might have, or have done. I think there's a huge difference between leaning towards communism and having done stuff in the realm of sexual abuse. One doesn't seem as bad as the other, to me at least.
#83426	07/23/2021 8:04:45 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	Also, keep in mind I'm a Canadian, so in a way, I'm often kind of an outsider looking in, too! Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 8:05:19 pm PDT
#83427	07/23/2021 8:20:27 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Yeah, but I think there is a lot of jumping to conclusions, and "cancelling" people based on speculation or he said/ she said. So feels similar. A lot of folks being blackballed based on speculation or hearsay. I don't really know a of the details since I don't pay much attention to that stuff, that has just been my impression. I've heard of several major actors/actresses who were canceled because they said or tweeted something inappropriate. A far cry from sexual abuse. The only thing I know for sure is that dog racing was "canceled" in Massachusetts, and no one wants greyhounds as pets (except out of pity), so they will probably go extinct.
#83428	07/23/2021 8:23:10 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	We also have to keep in mind that a lot of actors we hear are "cancelled" really aren't. Most people/media forget about these cancellations after a few days when something more interesting comes up.
#83429	07/23/2021 8:29:52 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	But still no Greyhounds I wonder if they will have to rename the bus line when people no longer recognize the reference.
#83430	07/23/2021 9:07:24 pm	Apr 10th, 2051
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 5035 Administrator	I think the bigger problem was the the Indians name was highly associated with the Chief Wahoo logo. Steve
#83431	07/23/2021 9:54:26 pm	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	But teams change logos all the time, and the logos get lost to history. I feel like they had already done enough dropping the logo. At the very least they could have changed the name to something that still gave a nod to Native Americans. But I digress. At least we still have the Braves. Presumably the "Guardians of the Universe" will eventually get a better logo. It always takes several iterations to get it right. First step is to change the team colors to green. Updated Friday, July 23 2021 @ 9:58:34 pm PDT
#83434	07/24/2021 4:04:36 am	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	Since the Guardian statues they are referring to are Art Deco sculptures, I would love if their whole esthetic would become more Art Deco. We can never have enough Art Deco.
#83435	07/24/2021 7:35:49 am	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
JV-Tosshin Joined: 11/11/2020 Posts: 303 Biloxi Thresher Sharks IV.8	That is a good take away. More Art Deco. Petition to get the Yankees to incorporate the Chrysler building into their logo, anyone? Personally, I feel the logo is a bit more angular and pixel-y than I'd normally prefer, and I gotta be honest, I thought "Spiders" was just a cooler name, generally, but I understand what they're going for, and hey, as said, logos change from time to time and maybe it gets a little curvature over time. But overall, looks pretty interesting. That faux-3D effect is nifty.
#83440	07/24/2021 8:24:25 am	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	You might be onto something with the Yankees and the Chrysler building. It's as if it was made to fit inside the logo! Updated Saturday, July 24 2021 @ 8:36:44 am PDT
#83443	07/24/2021 9:17:16 am	Apr 10th, 2051	Ignore
Jason2327 Joined: 09/02/2014 Posts: 750 Abilene Patriots IV.4	Geesh I say cancel culture needs to go and instantly get accused of starting up political discussion by someone not even from my country🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
#83448	07/24/2021 3:36:15 pm	Apr 11th, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	I wasn't even specifically talking about you, but sure, whatever floats your boat. I'm also not sure what being from up north has to do with anything, but I think we've reached whatever limit there was to reach. Back to baseball! Updated Saturday, July 24 2021 @ 3:55:11 pm PDT
#83450	07/24/2021 4:06:56 pm	Apr 12th, 2051	Ignore
lostraven Joined: 07/02/2016 Posts: 1291 Corvallis Ravens II.1	Don't care for "Guardians." Not much else to say, other than it sounds like the name of a AA team.
#83454	07/24/2021 4:15:00 pm	Apr 12th, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	It might be ok for defensive oriented football or basketball team, but what are baseball players guarding? It seems weak and passive.
#83457	07/24/2021 4:34:28 pm	Apr 12th, 2051	Ignore
Geech Joined: 01/12/2014 Posts: 590 San Luis Obispo Turtles IV.7	I basically like the name. It may sound generic, but as the team builds history under the new name people will get used to it.
#83461	07/25/2021 12:56:48 am	Apr 14th, 2051	Ignore
AssumedPseudonym Joined: 10/26/2016 Posts: 1139 Deerfield Beach Rats VI.13	I’ve never been a fan of the name Indians, personally, but at least it’s better than the Redskins. Naming a team after a race (or a slur thereof) isn’t exactly the way I would go about respecting said race’s culture. I don’t know that I particularly like Guardians, but I’m not exactly in favor of the move away from the Native American theme.  No, that is not contradictory.  I’m nearly a quarter Native American, myself (predominantly Apache, Cherokee, and Kiowa if anyone is curious). I live Atlanta-ish. Yes, I am a fan of the Braves. No, I am not offended by the name. Not in the least. It’s essentially taking the word “warriors” and putting a Native American spin on it. Similarly, the Kansas City Chiefs, which mirrors their baseball team, the Royals, is basically a Native American take on the same concept.  tl;dr: Not disappointed by the name change, am disappointed by the move away from the Native American theme.
#83475	07/26/2021 2:57:59 am	Apr 18th, 2051	Ignore
JV-Tosshin Joined: 11/11/2020 Posts: 303 Biloxi Thresher Sharks IV.8	I completely agree that there was surely a way to keep a nod to Native Americans, but I suspect they didn't want to risk anything, which is a bit of a shame. And as for Chiefs, that could be anything. I went many, many years without knowing that was meant to be a nod to specifically Native American chiefs. Mainly because I'm European, sure, but also because a Chief could be anything. Hell, vikings had chiefs/chieftains/warchiefs, so...
#83494	07/27/2021 10:05:05 am	Apr 21st, 2051	Ignore
Ced Joined: 11/07/2014 Posts: 658 Denver Broncos II.1	I did not know about this. I thought that Marvel Comics had bought Cleveland. Guardians of the Galaxy and all that. Logo is fine. Do not like the name of the mascot. Does not sound basebally enough.
#83496	07/27/2021 11:12:10 am	Apr 21st, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	That's why I was saying the logo should be green
#83497	07/27/2021 11:24:12 am	Apr 21st, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Speaking of Green. I guess its just a matter of time before Notre Dame and Boston get rid of their racist logos. But I hope they keep the Irish connection.
#83498	07/27/2021 12:17:47 pm	Apr 21st, 2051	Ignore
rlawrence Joined: 02/03/2020 Posts: 102 Inactive	meh
#83499	07/27/2021 12:48:52 pm	Apr 21st, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	I don't think many people have voiced concerns about Notre-Dame so far about their logo. I could be wrong, though.
#83501	07/27/2021 2:48:38 pm	Apr 21st, 2051	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9833 Haverhill Halflings Legends	Well its an offensive stereotypical caricature of another culture. Pretty much the same thing. Speaking as someone who is part Native American and part Celtic, I find the logo similarly insulting as the Indians logo. I was ok with both logos, but they are really both insulting. Especially in the Boston area where Irish are stereotyped as thugs. In case folks aren't aware, the Indians were named in honor of Louis Sockalexis, who was the first Native American Major League player. He played for the Spiders back in 1897. Basically the Native American version of Jackie Robinson 50 years before Jackie Robinson. That is why it is a bit of a kick in the pants that they moved away from Native American themes entirely. Updated Tuesday, July 27 2021 @ 2:52:08 pm PDT
#83502	07/27/2021 3:25:49 pm	Apr 22nd, 2051	Ignore
Chicken Fillet Joined: 04/01/2020 Posts: 167 Inactive	They definitely could have stuck with the Native American theme without being insulting. And yeah, maybe Notre-Dame will go through it someday sooner than later. It's true that their logo is... questionable?
#83549	07/30/2021 9:12:36 am	May 3rd, 2051	Ignore
Cactusguy21 Joined: 07/25/2017 Posts: 815 Inactive	Guardians is an improvement over Indians, but it's pretty meh to me. I wish they had eliminated the drab color scheme and done something a little less safe. The name sounds like a minor league football team. I mean as long as the phillies exist it won't be the dumbest name, but definitely a missed opportunity to do something really cool.

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