Broken Bat - Discussion Forum: DOPE 5

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#70702	01/15/2020 3:33:40 am	Jan 22nd, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	My unofficial prestige ranking of the last decade will roll out soon. Go ahead and make some bold predictions about where teams might fall if you'd like. Yours. The top three or five. Whatever. As always, I'll sprinkle a little of interesting trivia about teams along the way. Speaking of which, what do you think is the longest current consecutive Cup advance streak (meaning how many years of at least 1 advancement)? Don't cheat and look it up. Not even yours. I'm going to try to spot the longest streak as I finish up the calculations. If you want a refresher, here's a link to DOPE 4 that looked at 2031-2040.

#70703	01/15/2020 5:08:15 am	Jan 22nd, 2044
PrivateSnowflake Joined: 01/06/2015 Posts: 1169 Bloomington Thunder Legends	I'll take Freddy and Haselrig swapping positions at the top. I'll also take Ced and his Denver club to move into the Top 5 as my bold prediction.

#70704	01/15/2020 6:54:15 am	Jan 22nd, 2044
Bridger Joined: 08/04/2016 Posts: 264 Muncie Flyers III.4	I've never been listed in a DOPE ranking before. With my current in-game ranking of #91 and a couple of decent cup pushes in the last few years, I hope I'll show up on the list! Unfortunately, I know I'm not the longest consecutive cup advancement streak. I have made it out of 6 of my last 7 groups.

#70719	01/15/2020 10:35:04 pm	Feb 5th, 2044
allen54chevy Joined: 11/22/2015 Posts: 475 Inactive	Not so bold prediction: New york moves up to top 10 (from 32) Waterloo drops into 30s (from 10)

#70721	01/16/2020 12:39:08 am	Feb 5th, 2044
FreddyTheEye Joined: 11/11/2014 Posts: 625 Inactive	Novi and CSA toss up for 1 and 2 New York moves all the way to 3.

#70723	01/16/2020 4:02:58 am	Feb 5th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Before starting the countdown, I'll briefly address the guesses above. Only one of them is correct. None of them mention the top DOPER in the land and this version has a clear cut winner.

#70724	01/16/2020 4:24:27 am	Feb 5th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	About a quarter of the way through my process, I realized it might be fun to recognize teams that have been here since Broken Bat started. Well, sort of. I'm talking about when BB started playing for real with owners. I was especially interested in finding owners that are quiet here in the forums. There were several that made DOPE 5. To honor Broken Bat and the ones I spotted, I'll include a "Name The Owner" statement. That means they've been here since the beginning! Kudos to them! You might want to check them out further or give them a shoutout. If I mention "overall," that means official site ranking. Any time I mention "advanced" or "rounds" I'm talking about The Cup. Speaking of which, what do you think the longest advancing Cup streak is? It's pretty impressive. I'll mention a few of the longest, as well as other random trivia that caught my eye. Finally, if a team is in level VI they weren't considered. Basically that's because I'm lazy. I didn't want to go through all of those teams to try to find the few that might have made the list. Anyway, here we go! 135 San Mateo. Cup runner-up '34. Also, 10th overall in '34. 134 Maple Grove 133 Waynesboro. Right off the bat we have a team that didn't receive any official prestige for the last ten seasons. They advanced 4 rounds twice. 132 Belleville 131 Terre Haute. Advanced all 10. 6 rounds last season. The highest percentage of DOPE earned by Cup play. 130 Wingrove Crossing 129 Bellington 128 Frankfort. 4+ rounds three times. 127 Ironbridge City. Here's our first been here since the beginning player. Name The Owner. 126 Bolingbrook 125 Plymouth 124 Augusta 123 Loveland 122 Grand Forks 121 Athens 120 Montgomery 119 Symrna. End of season rankings have gone from 383 to 261 to 179 to 112 to 51 to 24 with the last four progressively being the franchise's all-time best. Updated Friday, January 17 2020 @ 3:54:49 am PST

#70733	01/16/2020 11:07:39 am	Feb 12th, 2044
Ced Joined: 11/07/2014 Posts: 627 Denver Broncos IV.4	Santa Monica is always Cup-ing. I predict that ballclub right there is a top 10.

#70755	01/17/2020 3:52:48 am	Feb 19th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	That's a safe bet. Moving on... 118 Des Plaines. 5 rounds twice. 117 Sumter 116 Duluth 115 Boynton Beach 114 Green Bay 113 Solana Beach. Woot woot! Steve moving up a little. I like having The Man playing. 112 Bay City. No official prestige, but DOPE sees you! They finished 2nd three times. The lowest percentage and raw DOPE due to Cup play of any team that made the list. In other words, they could easily be higher. 111 Kahului. Finished 2nd five times! 110 Brockton 109 Louisville 108 Folsom. Name The Owner who has been here since the beginning. 107 West New York 106 Wilson. Yet another team without any official prestige. Advanced 8 out of 10 in the Cup. 105 Hood River 104 Davenport 103 Sedona 102 Pinellas Park. 2+ rounds in all 5 advances. 101 Mehlville Updated Friday, January 17 2020 @ 4:09:02 am PST

#70777	01/17/2020 9:41:50 pm	Mar 2nd, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Now we hit the Top 100 DOPERS in the land! 100 Marion 99 Great Falls. In III.3 finished 3 four in a row. Moved up to second last year. 98 Lake Charles 97 Detroit 96 Glenview 95 Concord. 5 division titles. 94 Palm Bay 93 Cleveland Heights. 7 rounder in ’37. 92 Tulsa 91 Fall River. In the last 20 seasons, advanced 13 times and made it through every 1st knockout round. 90 Apple Valley 89 Minot. Cup runner-up ’37. 2nd highest percentage of DOPE due to the Cup. (Terre Haute had the most. I’ve gone back and edited that in.) 88 Mount Prospect. Advanced all 10. 87 Ashland. Cup winners in ’39. Name The Owner who has been here since the beginning. 86 Brooklyn 85 Milpitas. 2+ advances 7 times. 84 Boston. 3 consecutive promotions making it to II for the first time. 83 Midwest City. The no official prestige snubbed list keeps growing. FIVE 2nd place finishes! Advanced 9 times. 82 Huntington. This may be the easiest Name The Owner who has been here since the beginning. 81 Hilton Head

#70792	01/18/2020 11:55:15 am	Mar 2nd, 2044
Hayseed Joined: 02/20/2018 Posts: 290 Hood River Hawks IV.1	Thanks MM for doing DOPE again. I really love your notes you add too. To tie into the cheating thread, maybe I should be DOPING, if I want to do better than 105.

#70796	01/18/2020 3:50:22 pm	Mar 3rd, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	I enjoy doing this. It's pretty fun dropping in on so many teams to see what they're up to. Continuing on... 80 Coconut Creek 79 West Palm Beach. 2+ rounds six times. 78 Downers Grove. 4+ rounds three times. 77 Weston. Advanced 6 times. 2 or 3 rounds all six times. 76 Monterey 75 Ames 74 Berwyn. First rose to IV in ’40. Then III in ‘43. Now II in ’44. 73 Brownsville. Currently highest ever ranking at 27th. Name The Owner. 72 Lincoln Park. ’40 Cup winner. 71 Cambridge 70 Glendale 69 Commerce City 68 Euclid 67 Rancho Cucamonga 66 Rocky Mount 65 Littleton. Insanely unlucky 0-5 in playoffs. Advanced 3+ rounds five times. 64 Moscow. Was 635th in ’34! What a climb!!! 63 Rock Hill. Name The Owner who has been here since the beginning. 62 Grants Pass. 2+ advances last five seasons. 61 Rohnert Park. Was in VI in ’35. Now in Legends!

#70797	01/18/2020 4:23:41 pm	Mar 3rd, 2044
tamale Joined: 02/19/2018 Posts: 357 Concord Jets Legends	Great stuff Mike! When you started the top 100 I was sure I'd missed out. Unfortunately 2 relegations with those titles means we are now in III and not Legends... but in the next DOPE all of the Jets seasons will have been under my management so hopefully we can rise further up the list!

#70801	01/18/2020 5:11:25 pm	Mar 4th, 2044
Gambler75 Joined: 02/23/2017 Posts: 80 Brockton Bombers V.15	My first time on the list, and sneaking up on my brother a little (Fall River). Awesome stuff.

#70804	01/18/2020 6:32:08 pm	Mar 4th, 2044
12twelve Joined: 02/05/2017 Posts: 131 Inactive	Awesome to see the Berwyn Bikers finally getting some DOPE love, coming in at 74 with a little commentary on our recent success. Here's to continuing the climb.

#70807	01/18/2020 11:02:05 pm	Mar 4th, 2044
JJNZ Joined: 12/09/2014 Posts: 1581 Yakima Monster III.3	Probably Boulders most likely time to shine with a legend and cup championship in there. Tough to predict how far up though, don't think it's enough for top ten but hopefully knocking at the door. DCM clearly for Huntington, and I think Ricky ride for Brownsville? Can't pick the others you've mentioned at this stage though.

#70811	01/19/2020 5:50:30 am	Mar 4th, 2044
Bridger Joined: 08/04/2016 Posts: 264 Muncie Flyers III.4	Dang. I didn’t make the list. From a quick look at the lower ranked teams, I was probably close. Just need a few more seasons to get some of those DV/DVI years off the record.

#70820	01/19/2020 10:51:16 am	Mar 4th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	As we reach the top 50 and beyond, it’s time to give a little context to the ratings. If we give the #1 team a base score of 100, the last team to make DOPE 5 has a score of 28. The next 50 teams are all within 10 basis points of each other. Moving upward to where we stand now, coincidentally, #50 has 50% the DOPE of #1. In other words, almost all the teams listed so far would move up or down by changing any placement of any season of the last ten seasons. They’re that close. Let’s get closer to the top… 60 Apopka. 4-0 in playoffs. 7 rounder in ’40. 59 Richmond. Only advances were 3, 4 and 5 rounds. 58 Vineland 57 Farmington Hills. Perfect 4-0 in playoffs. 56 Grand Blanc 55 New London 54 Brookview Island. Name The Owner who has been here since the beginning. 53 Saratoga. Reached II for the first time in ’40. Name The Owner. 52 Yuma 51 Colorado Springs. In II for the first time. 50 Kirkland 49 Atlantic City. Despite all vices. 48 Oklahoma City 47 Palo Alto. First time in II. 46 Napa 45 Seattle 44 Scranton 43 Albany. 4-0 in playoffs. 42 Twin Falls. Advanced all 10. 41 Topeka. 19 consecutive advances! Highest DOPE for all teams currently in V.

#70835	01/20/2020 11:20:25 am	Mar 6th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	40 Allentown. 7 advances, all 1 or 3 rounds. 39 Vallejo 38 Conroe 37 Murfreesboro. Finished ’34 in 622nd! Meteoric rise by the Moo Cows. 36 Haverhill 35 SIOUX CITY! We have the POSTER CHILD of DOPE 5! They received zero, zilch, nada official prestige by Broken Bat. That’s just wrong!!! They were in II and III all 10 seasons, including 5 in a row where they finished 2nd or 3rd. Oddly, they finished three seasons in 68th or 69th overall. DOPE salutes you, Sioux City! 34 Davis. 3 round advances five times, plus a 6 rounder. 33 Cedar Rapids 32 New Britain. 22 consecutive seasons advancing in the Cup! 31 Burlington. 7 seasons in a row finishing 1st or 3rd in their division. 30 Dayton. Unlucky 0-4 in playoffs. Advanced 7 rounds in the Cup twice. 29 Columbus 28 Edmond. Highest DOPE for all current IV league teams. 27 Springfield 26 Moore 25 Corvallis. Reached II for the first time ever in ’39 and has been 2nd or 3rd all five seasons. 24 Harrisonburg. Making their Legends debut this season. 23 Laredo. Advanced 3 times, 3, 3 and 4 rounds. 22 Cheyenne. The highest ranked DOPER to receive 40% of their points from Cup play courtesy of back to back Championships in ’34 and ’35. 21 Fort Worth. 9 advances in a row.

#70838	01/20/2020 12:09:34 pm	Mar 6th, 2044
lostraven Joined: 07/02/2016 Posts: 1269 Corvallis Ravens II.1	First, props to Sioux City! Hopefully you get a chance to get some actual prestige to go with your supreme DOPE5-ness. 25 Corvallis. Reached II for the first time ever in ’39 and has been 2nd or 3rd all five seasons. I'd like to also add "lowest prestige among the Top 25" (not sure that I should be proud of that) and "team has never relegated under current ownership" (though this is where I jinx myself and relegate at the end of this season, amIright?).

#70842	01/20/2020 12:56:42 pm	Mar 6th, 2044
GullyFoyle Joined: 02/16/2016 Posts: 129 Spokane Wolves IV.5	I was cautiously expecting top 50 and hoping for top 32 so very pleased. 30 Dayton. Unlucky 0-4 in playoffs. Advanced 7 rounds in the Cup twice. Unlucky or chokers?

#70855	01/20/2020 5:29:46 pm	Mar 8th, 2044
hurstdm Joined: 01/18/2017 Posts: 576 Murfreesboro Moo Cows VI.5	DOPE is great fun and the Cows are thrilled just to be involved! The English language creaks with the poetry in "meteoric rise".

#70858	01/20/2020 7:27:04 pm	Mar 8th, 2044
EchoBravo34 Joined: 07/08/2014 Posts: 57 Sioux City Catfish V.15	Thanks for the shout out Mike! Thanks for doing this! I've been lucky to stay competitive for a very long time!

#70861	01/20/2020 9:11:32 pm	Mar 8th, 2044
JJNZ Joined: 12/09/2014 Posts: 1581 Yakima Monster III.3	Is New Britain's 22 Cup advances not the record?!?!!!!!

#70863	01/21/2020 12:37:36 am	Mar 8th, 2044
Meyrian Joined: 09/24/2015 Posts: 61 Littleton Genesiz II.2	Thanks MukilteoMike ! Big work !

#70866	01/21/2020 4:52:19 am	Mar 8th, 2044
FreddyTheEye Joined: 11/11/2014 Posts: 625 Inactive	40 to 21 : quite the mix of some big name legends teams with some soon to be big name legends teams. Updated Tuesday, January 21 2020 @ 5:00:00 am PST

#70872	01/21/2020 11:05:42 am	Mar 8th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Another point of reference. #20 Waterloo is at 67 basis points, while #11 is at 79. This is where there is a fairly consistent small separation, as opposed to the miniscule separation of the teams in the beginning of the DOPE list. It continues in a similar fashion all the way to the top five where there is an amazingly tight logjam. We're getting close. There's still time for predictions. 20 Waterloo 19 Allen. 5 division titles. 18 Boulder. Cup winners '41. 17 Broomfield. Change in ranking of more than 100 spots each of the last three seasons! 16 Los Angeles 15 Manhattan. The epitome of consistency. Last nine seasons in II and always 2nd thru 4th. '36 Cup winner. 14 Bronx. 6+ round advances three times. 13 Roanoke. 20 consecutive seasons advancing in the Cup! 12 Minneapolis. Cup winners in ’42. 11 Denver. Finished 6th to 12th overall the last six seasons. Updated Tuesday, January 21 2020 @ 11:23:53 am PST

#70873	01/21/2020 12:22:43 pm	Mar 8th, 2044
EchoBravo34 Joined: 07/08/2014 Posts: 57 Sioux City Catfish V.15	I know Kalamazoo is somewhere near the top

#70885	01/22/2020 7:25:58 am	Mar 10th, 2044
PrivateSnowflake Joined: 01/06/2015 Posts: 1169 Bloomington Thunder Legends	Well my bold prediction of Ced's Denver club moving into the top 5 was a bust. Unless I missed it, my Thunder are Top 10 for the first time. Woohoo!

#70887	01/22/2020 8:54:32 am	Mar 10th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Nearly there! 10 Battle Creek. 8 seasons in Legends, including one league and Cup championship. 9 New York. Six division and four league titles. They’re guaranteed to climb in DOPE 6. Wait for it. 8 Birmingham. Five 2nd place finishes and 1 division title, as well as being a Cup runner-up. An awesome example of what doesn't get nearly enough official prestige, while making serious DOPE. 7 Kalamazoo. Won Legends and the Cup in ’37 finishing with an insane rating of 440, the last time a team has finished a season over 400. Maybe we should call them Teddy Ballgame. 6 Alexandria. 19 consecutive advances with a five year run of 5, 3, 7, 7 and 5 rounds. Highest DOPE for all of current level III teams.

#70892	01/22/2020 12:23:13 pm	Mar 10th, 2044
PrivateSnowflake Joined: 01/06/2015 Posts: 1169 Bloomington Thunder Legends	You could've given me 10 tries and I never would have guessed longest Cup streak or #1 DOPER.

#70897	01/22/2020 4:47:37 pm	Mar 12th, 2044
FreddyTheEye Joined: 11/11/2014 Posts: 625 Inactive	Haven't seen Margate, Santa Monica, Bloomington, CSA, or Novi. I pick those 5 but in reverse order.

#70902	01/23/2020 12:54:32 am	Mar 12th, 2044
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	As we complete this DOPE list, I want to draw your attention to the current Legends league. Looking at the last ten seasons, here are the number of seasons the current teams have spent in Legends: 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. Those are unprecedented low numbers and I think that’s awesome. In my opinion, it shows exactly how tough this game has become. There are many dedicated players, making each and every spot in the standings that much more difficult. Keep rocking this game. It’s getting better and better. And that leads us to the Top 5 for DOPE 5. 5 thru 2 are crazy close. It’s not quite splitting hairs, but they’re the closest group of four by far for any in the top 30. Let's do this. 5 College Station. 2 Legend titles and three second place finishes. They had the second highest league DOPE. For current Legend teams, they have more Legend seasons (7) from the last ten than anyone. They finished in the overall top five 6 seasons. 4 Novi. 24 consecutive seasons advancing in the Cup! The current longest streak (I think)!!! The super strange thing about that is their Cup DOPE actually hurts them compared to the top three. 8 Legend seasons and three consecutive Legend titles, they hit the highest DOPE for league play. 3 Margate. 7 Legend seasons. Advanced in the Cup all 10 seasons. Game record of 0-12 in Legend playoffs and Cup finals, a record I bet will never be broken. (It’s still alive, so it could be painfully increased.) 2 Bloomington. A crazy strong ’43 catapulted them to second in DOPE by winning II and the Cup. Another 7 rounder, plus 5 division titles and 5 seasons in Legends, the Thunder rumbled to this version’s runner-up. And so we have the number one DOPE team in the land, SANTA MONICA. They finished fifth overall in league DOPE, which included finishing second in Legends three out of five seasons. They blew by all league front-runners, though, with amazing Cup performances. They advanced all ten seasons and had runs of 6, 6 and 7 rounds, plus a runner-up, placing them first in Cup DOPE by a large margin. I guess it’s only fitting for the top DOPE of edition 2020 to be Optics. Congrats! Updated Thursday, January 23 2020 @ 1:08:34 am PST

#70904	01/23/2020 6:15:49 am	Mar 12th, 2044
PrivateSnowflake Joined: 01/06/2015 Posts: 1169 Bloomington Thunder Legends	Thanks, Mike. Always enjoy the DOPE lists. My Thunder have improved 111 spots since the inaugural rankings. I almost got my hopes up while comparing the final 5. Then I saw Optics and how consistently good he's been. I believe Mike when he says it wasn't very close. Hats off to Optics and his Carp!

#70905	01/23/2020 6:41:05 am	Mar 12th, 2044
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2238 New York Lancers V.4	As always one of the best things on BB. Love reading this and, perhaps for obvious reasons, looking forward to DOPE6!! Thanks Mike!

#70908	01/23/2020 9:00:49 am	Mar 12th, 2044
GullyFoyle Joined: 02/16/2016 Posts: 129 Spokane Wolves IV.5	Agreed. A great read. Thanks for your hard work Mike. For the record I used to love DOPE even before my team was on the list.

#70912	01/23/2020 2:43:22 pm	Mar 13th, 2044
lostraven Joined: 07/02/2016 Posts: 1269 Corvallis Ravens II.1	Thanks, Mike. Great stuff, as always!

#70913	01/23/2020 5:55:31 pm	Mar 14th, 2044
Ced Joined: 11/07/2014 Posts: 627 Denver Broncos IV.4	If only I had left off a zero, I would have predicted the top ballclub correctly! DOPE is legal in Colorado...and they're spectacular.