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#13894	01/23/2015 8:40:39 pm
Bilbo Shaggins Joined: 01/01/2015 Posts: 59 Inactive	Who is your best minor league prospect? Mine would have to be Louis Coffey http://brokenbat.org/player/91337 though I'm suprised he's still recommended for AA. Other minor leaguers: http://brokenbat.org/minors/733 I'm hoping most of these players developing well but I don't see them helping for a few years.

#13895	01/23/2015 8:56:22 pm
Dcmrulz Joined: 02/14/2013 Posts: 588 Inactive	Tyler Rodgers. could play 2B, 3B and SS pretty well. There's also Dean Delaney and Brandon French. I'm wondering what I should do with these guys in terms of promotion. Updated Friday, January 23 2015 @ 9:00:31 pm PST

#13896	01/23/2015 9:17:54 pm
Bilbo Shaggins Joined: 01/01/2015 Posts: 59 Inactive	Rodgers looks like the next Jeter or A-Rod.

#13905	01/24/2015 1:28:46 am
Yuri84 Joined: 10/14/2014 Posts: 639 Apple Valley Raccoons IV.4	I got none of those fancy 15-16 pot guys, but my best prospect is most likely Rafael Mejia: http://brokenbat.org/player/86273 I'm currently trying to teach him play third base as my outfield is pretty stuffed already. Updated Saturday, January 24 2015 @ 1:29:35 am PST

#13908	01/24/2015 5:09:19 am
Favuz Joined: 02/26/2014 Posts: 639 Oxnard Sunsets IV.3	My best prospect is Luis Palacios, i have still to decide if i'll put him in SS or CF, because i've another great defensive prospect who can fit SS. Second best is Josue Rivas, who will probably handle RF for a long time. I have another 15 pot and 2 14 pot hitters, but thos 2 are the best. As for pitchers, i have 3-4 13 potential guys, but nothing exceptional

#13909	01/24/2015 5:34:25 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	My #1 prospect is Héctor Luna.

#13910	01/24/2015 6:36:46 am
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	I know this will sound strange, but this post makes me sad. Beautiful prospects abound and I'm forced to choose the only 14 potential guy I've been lucky enough to get in the draft. Charlie McKenzie will probably make my big league team next year even though he's struggling in AA at the moment. Last year he had a horrible leftie/rightie split and that trend has continued in the few games this spring. If he ends up being nothing more than a platoon guy versus lefties, I'll be extremely upset. (As an addendum, I was perplexed when I drafted him and saw his good potential amounted to a 14. With all the positive scouting reports, I figured he would be bad in the uncharted categories, but that wasn't the case at all. Hmmm. Now I'm wondering if it might be due to a hidden sucks-against-righties trait.) Updated Saturday, January 24 2015 @ 6:40:29 am PST

#13912	01/24/2015 6:43:28 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	I was there. It just takes time and dedication MukilteoMike. I have seven 15 potential prospects in my farm system. I only drafted one of those. The rest I got on waivers. Two this past offseason, both of which only had three claims on them. You just have to dig through the free agents available every few days. You'll find some gems.

#13913	01/24/2015 6:52:08 am
garfscores Joined: 10/13/2014 Posts: 488 Battle Creek Sting IV.7	I honestly didn't even know there was such a thing as 16 potential. The highest I've ever gotten either through claims or prospects is 14. My favorite was my own draft pick Randall "King" Kelly. He'll end up being my best hitter for seasons to come and has his spot in LF or at DH just about locked up for however many seasons he wants.

#13914	01/24/2015 6:53:38 am
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	Raul Peralta Updated Saturday, January 24 2015 @ 6:55:45 am PST

#13920	01/24/2015 11:12:08 am
Tiger504 Joined: 06/17/2014 Posts: 1314 Kalamazoo Bloody Tigers III.4	My best hitting prospect: the just drafted 15 pot Alex Crespo looks like cannot miss. My best pitching prospect: Joe Bradley, 14 pot future starter who should really solidify my rotation.

#13924	01/24/2015 3:23:29 pm
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Haselrig, I noticed your January pulls. I always check the mega-stars and where they land. 3 that close together is crazy. Park was the guy I wanted the most of your new trio. While I got some good guys, I've never gotten a super-stud. This is yet another example of why I think there may be a bug on waiver claims. Nothing purposeful, but some flaw in the system or randomization process like the occasional slot machine or similar device that has an inherent, hidden flaw. And I'm not one who normally believes in conspiracy theories.

#13925	01/24/2015 3:31:50 pm
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	Two times I've pulled a pair of 15 potential prospects within a week of each other. Bautista is a nice get, but Park was the prize. I have him tabbed as my catcher of the future. I seen to have good luck with minor leaguers and terrible luck with veterans. I did pretty well with both this season so far though. Most of the 15 potential prospects I've won have had less than ten claims on them. Some as few as two. I don't think the system is skewed, just the number of eyeballs on these particular guys compared to 100 SI guys. An eleven potential pitcher that's maxed out and 31 years old will get sixty claims. A fifteen potential pitcher who's twenty will get seven because his attributes don't show up on searches. You have to manually go through and find them.

#13928	01/24/2015 6:31:26 pm
slugfest2015 Joined: 12/21/2014 Posts: 168 Inactive	Hitting? "Monster" Landry hands down Pitching: Probably "The Secret Weapon" or "The Barber" Leonard Bagley Updated Saturday, January 24 2015 @ 6:32:17 pm PST

#13929	01/24/2015 6:36:48 pm
slugfest2015 Joined: 12/21/2014 Posts: 168 Inactive	Bilbo: I have never seen a minor player with higher than 85 or so SI! Don't you ever let them go!

#13935	01/24/2015 11:13:46 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Marco Guzman oddly he hasn't gotten a nickname yet. At 15 pot and pluses across the board he is following in the footsteps of Doyle, but with a better arm. Scott Poole is a defensive monster with power and speed but unfortunately not even "good" hitting.

#13940	01/25/2015 7:23:38 am
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5202 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	I have seven 15 potential prospects in my farm system. I only drafted one of those. The rest I got on waivers. Two this past offseason, both of which only had three claims on them. You just have to dig through the free agents available every few days. You'll find some gems. How many of those you picked up would you rate as gems? I see 14s and 15s on waivers occasionally. I rarely put a claim in. There is often something wrong with them (which is why they are on waivers). Park is 22 and in A ball. 59/120 SI. 0/17* hitting. 1/18* power. 3/17* fielding. Bautista is 21 and in Rookie ball. 46/120 SI. 43 of his 46 SI are in arm, speed and range. I would rate both these guys as long shots. Not trying to discourage you or MukilteoMike, but the gems that make free agency are usually fairly heavily contested.

#13942	01/25/2015 7:39:18 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	Both longish shots for sure. I have several 14 potential minor leaguers I'd rate ahead of both of those guys. Maybe even a couple 13 potential guys. I'm two deep at every position in the minors. The biggest hole was at catcher, so that bumps Park up if he can be a solid all-around catcher when he's 27 - 30. Bautista is more of a low cost investment. If he turns into something, great. If not, I can move on from him without too much regret. I'm basically counting these two as my first and second draft picks of this season, as my actual picks where wastes. As to the 15's I've picked up off of waivers, I would say Luna, Lowe and Munoz are the most promising. I don't have any doubts about Luna and Lowe developing into top-notch pitchers. Munoz may be a bit more of a struggle to develop, but I'll give him all the time available to do so.

#13943	01/25/2015 8:08:47 am
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5202 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	I should admit I have very little experience training guys with monster SI bars. I look at a guy like Carr who managed to add 16 SI in a season as a position player. I never see single season jumps like that with my 12s and 13s (position players). Maybe experience gains scale with the gap between current and potential, and those guys aren't as long a shot as I think. (Makes me feel better about my Butler).

#13944	01/25/2015 8:20:04 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	I feel like the case is closed on pitchers. At least for me. They can gain huge SI if they get the innings regardless of how they looked when I picked them up. Position players have been trickier for me. I have several pitchers I can point to that came to the majors with my club with mid-sixties SI that reached 100+ in their second full season or a bit beyond. I don't have that with position players. They don't seem to be as volatile as pitchers instead they've had steadier, but frustrating, gains over far longer stretches. I've not been able to get away from relying of a few key free agents to add some punch to the lineup while waiting for "Great hitters" and "Prolific Sluggers" to develop those traits. For the most part, I'm still waiting. Meanwhile, I have pitchers I picked up as underdeveloped longshots that have gone on to develop into reliable starters and Cy Young candidates. Just one of those quirks of the game that we have to adjust to I guess. Updated Sunday, January 25 2015 @ 8:23:40 am PST

#13945	01/25/2015 9:09:50 am
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5202 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	Ya. Pitchers are a different beast. The comment about experience scaling with gap was off-the-cuff. My 12s and 13s have shown 5 week pops when gaining experience in the majors. Carr's monster gain season could be explained by the stars aligning - ie., all 5 trainable skills on the cusp of popping in week 1. Not extraordinary 4-5 week pops from there. 12s and 13s are likely to cap out a skill while still fairly young. Monster bar guys have room everywhere. I believe the trick - as you pointed out - is having decent enough starting SI / decent training rng to reach those big "great" hitting and "prolific" slugging limits.

#13947	01/25/2015 9:56:12 am
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	About the 14s and 15s (not that I've ever successfully claimed a 15), yes, they often have problems. I would take a fully developed 13 over them, but I've never successfully claimed any of them either. When you're relatively new and building, you get what you can take. If I had to rely on my drafts, I would have already quit. They're generally horrible.

#13950	01/25/2015 10:16:51 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	And that's the heart of it. I don't know if it's universal, but many of us start with talent strapped rosters and we grab guys as we can that we hope can develop because you quickly learn the two seemingly more conventional means of acquiring talent, free agency and the draft, are luck based and, as such, completely unreliable. The only place you can affect the outcome is by taking shots on imperfect prospects with the biggest potential possible. As time goes on, you upgrade those guys where possible, but these are still castoffs. I would much prefer to rely on draft picks, but I play with hand I'm dealt.

#13962	01/25/2015 12:29:00 pm
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5202 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	I was starting to feel sorry for you MukilteoMike. Then I looked at your minor league system. Now I feel a little sorry for me. You've done quite a nice job stocking the shelves. Monsters are rare. You'll add more apples sooner or later.