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#15009	02/20/2015 5:04:18 am
msigg6 Joined: 06/05/2012 Posts: 336 Bay City Lions IV.6	Realeased my 13 pot 22 year old.....he had horrible power. But in return I got trash. Time to go to the wasteland to get a new player.

#15012	02/20/2015 5:13:56 am
Favuz Joined: 02/26/2014 Posts: 639 Oxnard Sunsets IV.3	I went with latin academy, and took Oswaldo Mondragon. Should be a good CF, not bad at all.

#15013	02/20/2015 5:15:27 am
Yuri84 Joined: 10/14/2014 Posts: 639 Apple Valley Raccoons IV.4	I don't have the draft option for some reason. edit: ok, had to log out for it to appear. Picked the only "good" pot player, got this: http://brokenbat.org/player/103445 Updated Friday, February 20 2015 @ 5:18:25 am PST

#15014	02/20/2015 5:15:51 am
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	Got a 22 yo 12 pot. Released... Got a AAA player into the majors.

#15016	02/20/2015 5:44:52 am
Jason2327 Joined: 09/02/2014 Posts: 721 Abilene Patriots III.2	only good player listed was a 11 pot.,promptly released.once again a wasted draft day.they need to change it a bit so everyone has a better shot at getting a good draft pick here and there.2 years of only one very good pot. that actually panned out to be a 13 pot. is getting a little ridiculous.

#15017	02/20/2015 5:50:22 am
Pig_Cola Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 1445 Glendale Marshals III.2	@Yuri, Alaya has lacking control, so that won't be good for the long run.

#15018	02/20/2015 5:50:56 am
Jynxed Joined: 08/26/2013 Posts: 284 Inactive	Only guy that said good potential that was literally all his scouting report said....lol Not sure what to think of him. Only 11 pot but rather balanced pitching stats. Brandon Cox

#15020	02/20/2015 6:06:40 am
Bucfan Joined: 09/23/2014 Posts: 50 Inactive	Saw just my second "very good" scout this season. Turns out to be a catcher with a 14 potential. Meet "Goose" Goossens. Updated Friday, February 20 2015 @ 6:07:11 am PST

#15021	02/20/2015 6:08:18 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	Finally got a keeper. Well developed, solid guy. Nothing to write home about though. For anybody looking for a high potential prospect, I'll be releasing Bautista sometime today. 15 potential who popped two attributes in training today and added a small 1b, so he's fresh to start on another position or to go for the 1B and be a platoon first baseman.

#15022	02/20/2015 6:30:46 am
slugfest2015 Joined: 12/21/2014 Posts: 168 Inactive	M.I.A I'd rather have the rapper on my team. This guy is quite lame :[ Only got OF choices!!!

#15023	02/20/2015 6:31:53 am
dwindacatcher Joined: 04/03/2014 Posts: 633 Inactive	I have literally never had a worse crop. I took a chance on the guy listed as "he has above average potential" and nothing else. Promptly released. Edit: though I can't complain. I've had a good year overall. Though I do wish I had a minor leaguer pop to majors. Updated Friday, February 20 2015 @ 6:42:58 am PST

#15024	02/20/2015 6:38:38 am
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	After the last two or three gave me a bit of a headache because they might by a very long stretch be considered among the fringiest of fringy prospects, this guy http://brokenbat.org/player/103419 at least had the advantage of being quite obviously useless, although his scouting report was way better than anyone else's I could choose from. That makes it 14 beepty draft rounds in a row.

#15026	02/20/2015 6:56:12 am
Dcmrulz Joined: 02/14/2013 Posts: 588 Inactive	Benedict was cut so I can get a free spot. Not a bad player, but didn't see him being ready by the time the team needed him. Also only P with 12 potential. This week's pull was a player with 11 POT, good looking scouting report, but cut immediately. My first round pick is all I have to show for drafting this season. Also might have to deal with a majors situation soon.

#15029	02/20/2015 7:02:07 am
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	I had a choice between 5 "above average" players. Picked one and he had 10 potential, he is already on waivers. Steve needs to increase the talent in the pool, the last two seasons have been ridiculous. Building even a decent team through the draft doesn't seem to be an option anymore. The replacement talent is too thin to fill in for guys as they age.

#15097	02/21/2015 9:42:49 am
garfscores Joined: 10/13/2014 Posts: 488 Battle Creek Sting IV.7	Henry Gordon 12 pot pitcher, who I will most likely drop once I pick up someone better on waivers.

#15098	02/21/2015 9:49:48 am
garfscores Joined: 10/13/2014 Posts: 488 Battle Creek Sting IV.7	Man, everyone complains about Waivers and the Draft around here, huh? I guess there are fewer injuries in this game to complain about, so people take it out on those two things. Steve, please make sure everyone gets 15's every season. Make sure they get at least a 13 every other week. End sarcasm. Seriously though, all you would do if you had more 13s, 14s and 15+s is devalue the 13s. Then everybody would be all, man I got a 13, wtf is very good about that?

#15102	02/21/2015 12:47:41 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Man, everyone complains about Waivers and the Draft around here, huh? I guess there are fewer injuries in this game to complain about, so people take it out on those two things. Steve, please make sure everyone gets 15's every season. Make sure they get at least a 13 every other week. End sarcasm. Seriously though, all you would do if you had more 13s, 14s and 15+s is devalue the 13s. Then everybody would be all, man I got a 13, wtf is very good about that? Yes, we complain about the draft because some of us remember when there used to be enough 13+s so that we could replace players that aged out. Now you literally cannot unless you are more lucky than the norm. That creates disparities based on nothing more than luck, and while a certain amount of luck is nice to keep the game interesting, however having luck determine everything from draft to waivers to the random element in the game sims makes the game feel like there is little reward at times to those who put in time/effort. Do not equate a petition for higher talent in the pool with a petition for "a 15 every season and a 13 every other week" when I have gotten a grand total of 4 13s in the past season and a half and one 14. The draft pools are just plain messed up as they are right now. Updated Saturday, February 21 2015 @ 12:53:53 pm PST

#15103	02/21/2015 1:58:09 pm
MrTwoPlums Joined: 04/14/2012 Posts: 213 Inactive	I have gotten a grand total of 4 13s in the past season and a half and one 14 What's wrong with that? I'd call that a good run in any of the seasons that I've been here for.

#15111	02/21/2015 5:12:14 pm
Brewnoe Joined: 03/25/2014 Posts: 818 Fall River Naughty Dawgs IV.5	Another ok one for me. Ross - 17yo VG-13 51si L/L 1B I have gotten a grand total of 4 13s in the past season and a half and one 14 What's wrong with that? I'd call that a good run in any of the seasons that I've been here for. It's an oversimplification to reduce it to just X potential players per season. But 5 13+'s in a season and a half sounds good to me too. If you need an example of a high pot / low worth - Angel is a 14 pot, but he's still supposed to be in A ball @ 24. If i get lucky and win the César Bautista sweepstakes, it's 50/50 Angel will be my drop.

#15135	02/22/2015 6:46:35 am
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	If you need an example of a high pot / low worth - Angel is a 14 pot, but he's still supposed to be in A ball @ 24. Two things are wrong with it, the first is illustrated here... that not all players pan out to their potential. The second, is that it was calculated somewhere awhile back the replacement rate needed in order to be able to have a full team to be about 3-4 players per season, if you are only getting 3 through the draft then that means every one of them needs to pan out or you need to use waivers/free agency to make up the difference. When everyone is in this same boat, there simply isn't enough competitive talent to go around. One can argue that 12s make excellent DHs or relievers with the correct skill sets, but they become either a liability in the field or at bat in any other position.

#15137	02/22/2015 6:59:48 am
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Here's where your argument falls flat, Newtman... When everyone is in this same boat, there simply isn't enough competitive talent to go around. Do you see it? If everyone is in the same boat, it IS competitive.

#15138	02/22/2015 7:01:55 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	Just as an example of the talent lag, of the fourteen position players on my major league roster, only one was not a waiver claim. I'm just now getting draft picks into AAA. That's a three season lag that i had to overcome with shotgunning waivers and leafing through endless player cards. Seems to be paying off now though. I think I'm going to be producing quality free agents very soon instead of consuming them.

#15139	02/22/2015 7:08:52 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	I think you might be better off not getting Bautista, Brewnoe. I think he's going to be a frustrating guy to have on your squad.

#15141	02/22/2015 7:12:46 am
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Do you see it? If everyone is in the same boat, it IS competitive. In 7-10 seasons, maybe, but the talent buildup on some rosters will just reinforce their dominance in the mean time without giving others a chance to build up theirs.

#15146	02/22/2015 8:47:13 am
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	I agree with you there, Newtman. Assuming the talent pool has been reduced (we don't know if that's the case or not), it really doesn't change anything. I joined about half a year ago and quickly saw it would take many seasons before I could even dream about competing in the upper leagues. The worst pitchers/players on Legend teams were better than my best guys. While that is frustrating, and I'm sure a large reason why many new owners quit, that challenge actually increased my interest in the game. The playing field is far from level here for new owners. I don't think that will ever change.

#15149	02/22/2015 9:41:43 am
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Assuming the talent pool has been reduced (we don't know if that's the case or not) The number of total recruits in the pools were reduced, that has been proven, and the ratio of good to bad recruits seems to have stayed the same based on the number of bad recruits still seen. Therefore we can actually conclusively say that the talent pools have been reduced. THAT is precisely what I have been arguing needs to be changed. Can I prove this 100%? No, because only Steve has those numbers, but I'd be willing to wager a large amount I'm right on this, and I don't gamble normally.

#15156	02/22/2015 11:50:59 am
MrTwoPlums Joined: 04/14/2012 Posts: 213 Inactive	I personally think it should take a few seasons of plugging holes with FA's while trying to build up core youth. I don't think anyone should expect to instantly compete with the top tier teams within their first few seasons. It took most of us awhile playing the long game to build a solid foundation and ride it to the top. However I understand that with the smaller draft pools and the sheer amount of players now competing for talent, it's much harder to do that today and will be even harder tomorrow. I think the biggest problem is not necessarily the draft pools (too early to tell, though it doesn't look promising) or available talent through waivers/FA's, but the actual starting state of new players taking over bunk teams. It seems like most competitive players like to start in the lower leagues and take the team from the bottom up and put their own stamp on things. Few players want to inherit an upper tier "winner" and ride someone else's coattails to glory. But the state of most of these lower tier teams is just abysmal- fighting bankruptcy, crippled prospects, little talent and no depth. Taking over teams in these situations will take 5+ seasons just to get them back on track if you're lucky. I think if we can find a way to improve things for new players it could go a long way to taking the pressure off some of the other issues. Minimum starting balance, bot teams not calling up unready prospects and killing them, maybe double draft picks for a season, or Seca's idea about priority claims, but only for new lower tier players. If we can give the new guys something better to work with, they won't need to flip over their entire 50 man roster in their first couple seasons and they can focus more on improving their team on a case by case basis for the long run instead of having to throw claims at any and every decent player out there and hoping something sticks. I don't think it should be easy to build a contender. It should take time, good management and some luck of course, but new teams seem to have too much fixing to do before they can focus on building the groundwork for the future.