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#33180	04/10/2016 10:14:52 am
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Its not really projecting for managers since they don't actually improve. Rather managers instantly operate at their level of proficiency, but that proficiency is revealed over the course of 4 seasons (cup play may create variance). Managers reveal at a consistent rate, so within the first year you should have a good idea how good/bad they will be. All of these values are +/- 1 right now (I suspect there may be overlap between all ranges given the third tier range looks so small). I'll update when this season ends with improved data. Hitters/Defense/Pitchers Below Average 0 - 8 ________None 8 - 11 Above Average 11 - 13 ________Good 13 - 20 Development ___Poor 0 - 8 ___None 8 - 11 ___Good 11 - 13 Excellent 13 - 20 Updated Sunday, April 10 2016 @ 10:18:35 am PDT

#37210	07/16/2016 3:10:49 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Slight update based on last seasons results: Hitters/Defense/Pitchers Below Average 0 - 9 ________None 8 - 11 Above Average 11 - 14 ________Good 13 - 20 Development ___Poor 0 - 9 ___None 8 - 11 ___Good 11 - 14 Excellent 13 - 20 These could still be slightly off as I am running under the assumption that skills are fully revealed by the time a manager completes his fourth season. I am also a bit surprised I haven't been able to find a 12 skill with no reputation, as the rest of the skills seem to overlap a small amount. Updated Saturday, July 16 2016 @ 3:14:53 pm PDT

#37214	07/16/2016 5:09:56 pm
Huaraches25 Joined: 05/01/2016 Posts: 151 Inactive	EDIT : I had a question onanagers but I keep thinking of more so I'm making a separate thread Updated Saturday, July 16 2016 @ 5:20:31 pm PDT

#37215	07/16/2016 5:22:10 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	3 part answer to that question. 1) Managers have a very small impact. 2) Managers reveal over time, but they don't improve over time. So that guy who is excellent at developing players but is only showing a 10, is actually performing at the level of a 16 (or whatever he actually is). 3) I would replace him.

#39956	09/23/2016 7:43:15 pm
wuggla Joined: 05/10/2013 Posts: 1059 Colorado Springs Vultures VI.28	This is what i use also. Will take a few more seasons of updates i think. So far the #'s are showing true. Like Rock777 is saying he's operating at max#'s from the the 1st day he is picked.

#39959	09/23/2016 8:03:18 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Rock, my manager didn't hit 20 until during his 5th season, so I'm guessing the final reveal may take slightly longer than you anticipated when you made this thread. I also wonder if the excellent range is actually as large as you originally posted. Is it possible that those guys at 13 in excellent development might not be done? Updated Friday, September 23 2016 @ 8:05:23 pm PDT

#39965	09/23/2016 9:38:58 pm
Balbinjj Joined: 05/27/2014 Posts: 213 Appleton Foxes III.1	I have a good in pitching and he is at 18 already

#39971	09/24/2016 6:32:26 am
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Slight update based on last seasons results: Hitters/Defense/Pitchers Below Average 0 - 8 ________None 8 - 11 Above Average 11 - 14 ________Good 14 - 20 Development ___Poor 0 - 8 ___None 8 - 11 ___Good 11 - 14 Excellent 14 - 20 I feel fairly confident that these are the correct numbers now. It seems like it takes a bit longer than 4 seasons for the full reveal. By 5 full seasons your manager should be fully revealed. Updated Saturday, September 24 2016 @ 2:08:32 pm PDT

#44764	02/08/2017 10:53:04 am
Geech Joined: 01/12/2014 Posts: 545 San Luis Obispo Turtles IV.8	Sorry to bump an old thread, but this seemed like a good place. Do the managers skills reveal gradually throughout the year, or is there an update at the end of each season that reveals more information? I'm pretty sure I'm going to fire my current manager, but I would like to have a better idea of just how good his player development will be before I do that. Updated Wednesday, February 8 2017 @ 10:53:18 am PST

#44769	02/08/2017 1:20:47 pm
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2238 New York Lancers V.4	Managers reveal about 1-3 times per season, but its estimated to take 5 full seasons to reveal their final, actual scores. But that's just their numbers that are revealed: their actual abilities stay true from day one. So if your manager turns out to have a 17 Development, he'll be developing players at that 17 skill from the beginning. Excellent development guys are highly sought-after, but yeah I'd be looking to improve on those other skills.

#44771	02/08/2017 1:32:59 pm
FurySK Joined: 02/07/2015 Posts: 299 Inactive	I'd also like to point out that on more than one occasion steve felt that we were overestimating the importance of managers. These comments were made as recently as the change to managers to have them drop at any time rather than once a season. So i wouldn't overthinking it too much. It can probably get you to the end of development a week faster or win you 1-2 more games a season, but in general i would think that a lot of the teams performance is on the team you built and not the coach based on what limited information he has given us.

#44797	02/08/2017 5:08:32 pm
Geech Joined: 01/12/2014 Posts: 545 San Luis Obispo Turtles IV.8	Fury, I did see something about that when I was searching the forum for information about managers, but I also saw that Steve said he wanted managers to have about the same impact as a player. So the difference between a good manager and a bad manager isn't nothing.

#44837	02/08/2017 11:58:48 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	I also saw that Steve said he wanted managers to have about the same impact as a player Exactly...that is the target. So they aren't inconsequential, but having a good manager (as opposed to a great manager) wouldn't sink your team either. Steve

#51827	08/03/2017 6:55:41 am
Vaspirate Joined: 03/20/2017 Posts: 1 Inactive	So, question, is it worth it to take a manager that is excellent at developing and poor at another task? Refer to the main stats of pitching and hitting.

#51828	08/03/2017 8:43:04 am
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2238 New York Lancers V.4	In your case I'd absolutely say it was worth it. And I was waiting for someone to snap up Cook! My manager is also poor at developing pitchers so I'm waiting to see what sort of effect that has on their growth. Pitchers tend to make their biggest gains on hitting the majors anyway, and personally I would always take an excellent hitting teacher over an excellent pitching teacher.

#57144	02/21/2018 12:20:36 pm	Jan 29th, 2035
Hayseed Joined: 02/20/2018 Posts: 290 Hood River Hawks IV.1	Do managers increase their skills faster with winning as well as experience? Or any other factors that go into their development?

#57147	02/21/2018 12:47:11 pm	Jan 29th, 2035
AssumedPseudonym Joined: 10/26/2016 Posts: 1130 Deerfield Beach Rats V.7	Managers don’t develop. When managers hit the market, their skills are masked as being flat tens across the board. As they spend more time managing, their skill displays are gradually adjusted to what they actually are, but the skills themselves don’t change.

#57150	02/21/2018 1:05:48 pm	Jan 29th, 2035
Hayseed Joined: 02/20/2018 Posts: 290 Hood River Hawks IV.1	sweet thanks mate.

#88836	07/25/2022 12:56:38 pm	Jan 13th, 2056
jpnwrt Joined: 06/29/2018 Posts: 47 Logan Pioneers V.6	If the coach has good+excellent (at pitching, in this particular case) but has only improved from 10/11 (or 11/11, not sure) to 12/11 in 4 seasons, is it time to give up on him? Or would you wait 1 more season (to complete that 5th full season)? I'm particularly disappointed with development, obviously. Was expecting him likely to turn out good, down from excellent, but 11 seems kind of low to hope for that...

#88842	07/25/2022 5:17:54 pm	Jan 13th, 2056
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9603 Haverhill Halflings III.1	From what I have seen, I think coaches reveal a LOT slower than managers.

#88844	07/25/2022 6:46:55 pm	Jan 13th, 2056
jpnwrt Joined: 06/29/2018 Posts: 47 Logan Pioneers V.6	Oh... didn't think of that. Thank you