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#78784	11/20/2020 3:54:55 pm	Mar 1st, 2048
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9613 Haverhill Halflings III.1	I'm sure everyone has their own strategies. And really any stat can be useful. I look at quite a few. I'll just bucket them by how useful I think they are (my opinion only). High Value HR -> a good indicator; this usually translates into power at the next level, or the ability for a pitcher to prevent these SB -> great indiator; this always translates into SB at the next level CS -> good indicator of if their aggressiveness will need to be tuned GB/FB -> this can change, but is still a strong indicator of how they will hit/pitch the ball at the next level K -> Good indicator of their contact ability/ power pitching BB -> Good indicator of their plate discipline / control OPS -> great overall measure of offensive performance (at both minors and majors level) OBP -> very useful at both minor and major level vLHP/vRHP -> good indicator of platoon ability vLHB/vRHP -> very valuable for LHS and RHS FP -> good indicator of fielding ability at positions played. Will usually translate exactly to majors. WHIP -> great indicator of pitching performance at both levels Valuable FIP -> can be useful to weed out some of the fielding effects in the minors. In the majors I find little value in FIP. A guy can give up 5 hits an innings and still have a low FIP. 2B/3B -> may help predict OPS at next level DP -> may help predict DP contribution at next level. But there are so many factors and contributors in a DP. Questionable ST% -> This one probably is valuable. I don't pay much attention to it though. ERA -> Not a bad stat, but not as useful as things like FIP and WHIP. S/BS -> valuable at the major league level. But too much obscured at the minor league level. Blown Saves mean something very different for a MR than for a Closer. Without the context of how the pitcher is utilized in each game in the minors its hard to get much value. SLG -> I think pales in comparison to OPS. But then why do I put OBP so high? I guess I think of this as the less important part of OPS. If you have OPS and OBP, this becomes irrelevant. RISP -> Completely depends on your philosophy. Do you believe in clutch? If you do, then this probably has some value. Doubtful W/L -> this is really a team stat. I've always thought it was weird it is listed for pitchers only. I don't think its very valuable at minor or major league level. E -> just look at FP. E is meaningless without innings. AVG -> mostly trumped by OBP; AVG doesn't really tell you as much as OBP. H/ER-> Nothing wrong with it, but its basically a less informative version of AVG/BAA/ERA that is meaningless outside of the context of ABs/BFs. Runs -> I've always though that this says more about the quality of the guys batting behind this guy, than the guy himself. G/AB/IP -> The more ABs the more trust you can have in the data. But doesn't tell much in itself. Defensive innings -> same as ABs. High numbers mean more trust in stats, but doesn't tell much in itself. GIDP and others -> numbers are too low to really glean anything. Updated Saturday, November 21 2020 @ 7:41:04 am PST

#78792	11/21/2020 1:23:39 am	Mar 2nd, 2048
todd Joined: 01/30/2020 Posts: 144 Wellington Phoenix II.2	Thanks a lot Rock!

#78803	11/22/2020 7:19:42 am	Mar 4th, 2048
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5206 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	That's a nice summary by Rock777. I think the next level of analysis is figuring out which stats are lieing and which stats are telling the truth. Is his ops depressed because of platoon splits? Aggressive placement? A patch of bad form? Suboptimal management settings? Are there trends to the data? Is his gb:fb changing as he adds skill? Is his power dropping as placements get more difficult? There's lots of detective work to be done. The addition of minor league games and stats was terrific, and really added to the depth and richness of the game. Edit: a thousand curses on you spellcheck Updated Sunday, November 22 2020 @ 7:20:26 am PST

#78805	11/22/2020 8:27:08 am	Mar 4th, 2048
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9613 Haverhill Halflings III.1	What? No pushback on the value of FIP

#78870	11/25/2020 10:15:49 am	Mar 10th, 2048
michaeltodd2 Joined: 02/20/2018 Posts: 325 Paradise Valley Cubs II.2	Rock, assuming the player plays the minors from rookie to AAA, what stat do you put more stock in when checking a players minor league stats, FIP or ERA? Could you explain why? Updated Wednesday, November 25 2020 @ 10:17:13 am PST

#78875	11/25/2020 11:22:03 am	Mar 10th, 2048
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9613 Haverhill Halflings III.1	FIP or ERA? Hmm... The answer is WHIP of course Serious, I don't put a lot of stock in either FIP or ERA. If they are both high its bad. If they are both low its good, but WHIP is more telling at the end of the day. If a guy has a high FIP but a low ERA, then maybe he is good at not allowing hits. If a guy has a high ERA but low FIP, then maybe he has bad minor league defenses behind him (like guys training in positions they have no knowledge of). Its all valuable clues for your detective work, but I put more stock in things like HR/IP and K/BB than FIP and ERA. Updated Wednesday, November 25 2020 @ 11:24:14 am PST

#78889	11/25/2020 8:10:13 pm	Mar 12th, 2048
todd Joined: 01/30/2020 Posts: 144 Wellington Phoenix II.2	What is a decent K/BB ratio again please?

#78900	11/26/2020 8:15:18 am	Mar 12th, 2048
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9613 Haverhill Halflings III.1	That really depends on other factors. I don't generally look at those in a vacuum, rather BB/AB and K/AB are a bit more telling. Then comparing those ratios. For a pitcher it will depend a lot on the type of pitcher. If they are a fastball pitcher, then 3/1 ratio is good. If they are a control pitcher. then a 2/1 ratio can be very good. But these are just thumb in the wind numbers. I have plenty of guys on my team with ratios closer to 1/1 because other factors outweighed those factors. Really, the best thing to do is look at a bunch of players at the LL-1, LL-2 level. See how guys perform, and decide what makes a good player for yourself.

#78901	11/26/2020 8:21:04 am	Mar 12th, 2048
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5206 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	What? No pushback on the value of FIP Hehe. Different teams value stats different ways. Astros and Reds really prioritize spin rate. Oakland was the (one of the?) first to emphasize GB:FB a few years back. That said you have HRs allowed, BBs allowed and Ks all as top tier stats, but place FIP in the second tier. Seems a little arbitrary. Edit: forgot italics Updated Thursday, November 26 2020 @ 8:22:51 am PST

#78903	11/26/2020 8:25:15 am	Mar 12th, 2048
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9613 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Because Haverhill puts more weight on those stats Really I should have clarified K/IP or K/AB, because those numbers don't mean anything by themselves. That's kind of true of any stat that isn't a percentage. For instance SB/(H+BB) is useful, rather than just raw SB. Updated Thursday, November 26 2020 @ 8:30:30 am PST