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#25822	10/27/2015 2:33:33 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9601 Haverhill Halflings III.1	I actually think Newtman's guy is the closest comparison. I think that would be a very reasonable expectation for your guy in two years.

#25831	10/27/2015 5:06:07 pm
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	Newtman's guy has more similar scouting. But he was a 19 yr old draft. I see a 23 yr draft from the Asian pool as more relevant when asking wall or no wall. Not condemning him. Think he is decent risk-reward.

#25839	10/27/2015 8:05:43 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9601 Haverhill Halflings III.1	True, but despite being an Asian draftee, he has gained 7 points already this year. He does that in the next two seasons and he will have 70 SI at 25 years old. That puts him squarely inline with Newtman's guy. The guy you showed is really more of an anomaly. That's why I think Newtman's guy is a better projection. I am also not convinced that the perceived growth rate bias on Asians is actually real. Here is an example of an Asian player with a healthy growth rate (7/7/10). He might not make it given he started so low, but he is still developing as well as any of my other pitchers.

#25841	10/27/2015 9:47:13 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Personally, I'm a big fan of growth. I don't care what SI a guy is or how old he is, as long as he is gaining 7-10 SI a season he has a chance of being good.

#25851	10/28/2015 7:53:27 am
el_jefe_loco Joined: 02/25/2015 Posts: 73 Inactive	Thanks all for the input and examples. I will see how far along he is during his age 25 season before deciding when to call him up. @newtman - did you receive the green light from scouting that Andujar was ready for the majors? Or did you call him up before the scouting report said he was ready?

#25853	10/28/2015 8:21:50 am
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5201 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	I am also not convinced that the perceived growth rate bias on Asians is actually real. Certainly not saying the pool is doomed. I do feel there is higher risk. The connection I am trying to make is between the 25 year boot and poor experience gains. The Asian and Latin pools can both dump late season 23 year olds into rookie or A ball. The boot is more frequent than other pools, and the distance of the boot is larger (North American players that don't make it are often in AAA). Can you find a North American version of Saito? It appears he was handled correctly, and missed by 25 SI. The biggest NA miss I see (ironically) is Newtman's Burke. But he missed by half as much, and added twice as much SI through XP. Significantly better than Saito. Burke is an interesting case though. Would be curious to know what his draft numbers were like. His most obvious miss is velocity. Was it crazy low to begin with and made a valiant effort to reach its cap? Or did it turtle as he trained / gained experience?

#25858	10/28/2015 9:02:55 am
Crazy Li Joined: 01/25/2015 Posts: 879 Inactive	I'm fine with the anti-Asian bias. More for me :p I love drafting Asian players and get better results from that pool than say college by far.

#25862	10/28/2015 10:24:54 am
jdick1990 Joined: 05/30/2014 Posts: 65 Inactive	I have a guy, Jun Li, who is an interesting case study of a high pot, older Asian player. He was drafted in the last draft 4 seasons ago, which hurt him somewhat i feel. I kept him in the minors during his age 25 season and got a decent (9 SI) gain from it. Had him up to begin this season and got him plenty of innings and he popped by 15 SI. I sent him back down about halfway through the season, as I needed to go down to basically a 3.5 man rotation so that I could make a push to not demote from II.2 (which has so far worked very well btw), and he has popped a few SI since. I do not believe he will ever reach his 120-127SI potential, but I plan on having him back up next season and he should get a good amount of innings. I'm hoping that he can fill out another 25 SI or so and be a decent back end of the rotation/solid LR guy, but I do feel like that is asking for alot of development from a player who will be 27 to start the season. Certainly the most entertaining/difficult to handle/difficult to project prospect I have ever had. Updated Wednesday, October 28 2015 @ 10:25:15 am PDT Updated Wednesday, October 28 2015 @ 10:27:07 am PDT

#25863	10/28/2015 11:24:43 am
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9601 Haverhill Halflings III.1	It will be interesting to see what happens next year. From an innings perspective I would expect him to have a big SI gain, but from an age perspective who knows. And then again some guys stop growing after just one season in the majors...

#25886	10/28/2015 8:54:20 pm
Balbinjj Joined: 05/27/2014 Posts: 213 Appleton Foxes III.1	That makes this game very realistic and exciting.