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#5405	11/15/2013 1:29:23 pm
Crunchtime Joined: 05/23/2013 Posts: 141 Inactive	Pitchers in particular? These ones: http://brokenbat.org/player/65352 http://brokenbat.org/player/65204 http://brokenbat.org/player/64431 http://brokenbat.org/player/64217 http://brokenbat.org/player/61937 http://brokenbat.org/player/60333 Pitchers hitting their primes 27+. Most have had some time on the free agency market though I believe the longest is 4 weeks (Agano/Lujan) so they're missing, what, 3-4 points? After taking a second look, my minors look ok. 24s have similar SIs, 23s on another tier, etc. Might be overreacting based on my current and past starters having issues hitting peak before starting to lose stats. Might just be unlucky.

#5406	11/15/2013 4:02:45 pm
msigg6 Joined: 06/05/2012 Posts: 336 Bay City Lions IV.6	Here are my 2 cents on this discussion. While yes, I can probably clarify the fact that pitchers are pretty hard to find--In all of my youth talent searches (FA and in Draft) I haven't found a single Worthful Pitcher over 45 SI. I've found plenty of hitters and fielders though, at around 55-60 SI, some even better then that. As far as MY own personal team goes, I'm not worried about pitchers YET, since my core is Zapata/Bailey/Yanez/Bonner/Henderson. I've been blessed with some, I've stolen some. I'll admit that. I know other teams can't really say the same about their pitchers. I want a compromise and I'm sure everyone else does too. SO here is my compromise: Increase the number of 45-55 SI Pitcher talents by at least 10%, that would at least get some WORTHWHILE pitchers going, and have the rare 60+ SI rookie pitcher be a VERY, VERY small percent chance (3%?) Because I'm sure I'd be pissed to hear that some dude got a 63 SI 17 yr old P out of draft. ALSO, I agree with what the others have said, increase the training speed of pitchers, so at least they have a chance at becoming 90 SI pitchers. Make their speed a teeny weeny bit below a hitters' training speed. I have a few dudes who are in their mid 80s SI and 22/23 yrs old. We could have like a high 70s or low 80s SI P at around their age too. Maybe its a little far fetched, but it could happen.

#5408	11/15/2013 4:58:20 pm
MrTwoPlums Joined: 04/14/2012 Posts: 213 Inactive	I dunno, I think there are already too many good pitchers out there. If you look at the top leagues, hitters numbers are way below where they should be due to great pitching. I also think that people put way too much emphasis on SI. It's a rough estimate on skills, not a hard fact of their abilities. I've found that once you start giving pitchers some playing time in the majors, they actually gain pretty quick, at least in my experience, and sometimes the rookies can even put up surprisingly decent numbers.

#5409	11/15/2013 6:05:25 pm
Crunchtime Joined: 05/23/2013 Posts: 141 Inactive	The whole 'Giving them experience can help development' and 'playing above their division can hinder development' still confuses me. I went with all my rooks up in the majors after writing off the season in an effort to get them better, quicker. Twice I've had players under 25 in the majors lose a stat, not impressed with that. My minor guys will be good, I'm fairly confident in that. I was just hoping to be good with the current batch and be able to sustain it with the rooks. As they appear underdeveloped, now I'm looking at waiting until the rooks mature and it's setting me back another couple years.

#5412	11/15/2013 9:35:33 pm
MrTwoPlums Joined: 04/14/2012 Posts: 213 Inactive	Crunchtime Those young players you mentioned losing stats aren't actually losing stats. The skills on young inexperienced players are just scouting reports really, and while generally accurate, they can be up to %20 off (if I remember correctly). So when you see a skill go down on a young player it's not really dropping, it's just that as they play you get a more accurate report of their true skills. This goes the other way as well. Some gains aren't really gains, just the clearer picture of their accurate stats.

#5415	11/16/2013 5:14:46 am
Frankebasta Joined: 09/15/2013 Posts: 884 Kodiak Mules III.3	I read about pitchers' SI being too low. Does anybody reckon that the formula pitchers' SI is a different one than for hitters? For this very reason, at the same level of ability pitchers' average SI will always be lower than hitters.

#5418	11/16/2013 3:41:41 pm
Crunchtime Joined: 05/23/2013 Posts: 141 Inactive	@MrTwoPlums: Is that right. That's some really good info, thank you. Didn't think it would actually go down, thought it just would not end up reaching the same peak. Makes sense, thank you. @FrankeBasta: They are calculated differently. It's in the help file. Copy/pasting here for you: Skill Index: a weighted total of all relevant skills. For position players, it's the sum of the five offensive and three defensive skills. For a pitcher, skill index is weighted more towards pitching skills. Position Player's Skill Index = 1.0 * (hitting + plate discipline + bat control + power + speed) + 1.0 * (fielding + range + arm) Pitcher's Skill Index = 1.25 * (velocity + change of speeds + ball movement + control + stamina) + 0.5 * (fielding + range + arm) Potential: a measure of all relevant skill potentials. Updated Saturday, November 16 2013 @ 3:42:58 pm PST

#5428	11/17/2013 3:20:09 am
AmUnRA Joined: 06/17/2012 Posts: 299 Inactive	i have to agree with the thread opener. easiest solution might be: change training curve - somewhat faster in the beginning and somewhat slower later in the process of training, so pitchers could start earlier in the majors

#5449	11/22/2013 2:31:33 pm
nobodyjones Joined: 12/28/2011 Posts: 170 Seattle Rickey IV.1	Additionally, we have changed the aging algorithm, so players will have slightly longer careers now. Their career lengths are more variable now too. Does this pertain to all players or just the newly created ones?

#5453	11/22/2013 4:38:00 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	It applies to players that haven't already been affected by aging - so most current players. Steve