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#63485	03/04/2019 6:29:15 pm	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
StretchDynamo Joined: 05/16/2016 Posts: 64 Inactive	I feel your pain my friend. My team just lost 3/4 games to finish 2nd in the league off run differential for the 3rd time in 4 years. I love this game, but this season especially I went for broke and couldnt get out of league 6, I don't know how much longer I can keep doing this.
#63486	03/04/2019 7:17:42 pm	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9595 Haverhill Halflings III.1	I think its more frustrating to have a higher RD and lose. Especially if you gave up less runs. It means you were obviously the better team, but got unlucky with close games.
#63488	03/04/2019 8:01:20 pm	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	I understand that frustration, too, but saying a team that loses more games is the better team doesn't fly. Winning games is what matters. That's always first. Hypothetical five game example-- 5-4, 5-3, 5-4, 5-3, 2-10. By your way of thinking, the team that only wins one of those five is better. I disagree. Obviously that's an exaggerated example, but it applies to more normal scenarios, too. Edit--I should rephrase my thought a little. There are many ways to judge how good a team is. I don't think wins, RD, or anything by itself is compelling data to say a team is better. You have to look at the broad picture. That being said, we always have and always will reward winning. That's the way it should be. I suppose that's probably why I like head-to-head and division records over RD for tie breakers. Updated Monday, March 4 2019 @ 8:53:21 pm PST
#63495	03/05/2019 4:50:09 am	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
nemesis Joined: 07/06/2016 Posts: 135 Brooklyn Dodgers III.3	Frustration is part of the game. Quitting is easy, staying the course is hard. I spent my rookie season turning over my roster, then spent 2-3 seasons consolidating and waiting for my talented youths to come through: even then I had a winning record those seasons and contended for a large part of the season before handing over playing time to the youngsters. I then had three straight seasons winning 113 or 114 games, with a RD between +346 and +418, but only in the last of those did I promote out of LLVI. And then? I've promoted twice more in the five seasons since, and was in the running this year with less than 30 games left...when I handed time to the youngsters again (Ames were out of sight). There are hard luck stories all over this game, its up to you to rise above it.
#63496	03/05/2019 4:57:36 am	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	I think nemesis just described how to start this game the right way pretty well. Should be a post of it's own.
#63497	03/05/2019 4:58:13 am	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
Bridger Joined: 08/04/2016 Posts: 264 Muncie Flyers III.4	This thread has actually been helpful with my frustration, though I still don’t understand the performance of Lincoln’s players...
#63498	03/05/2019 5:02:35 am	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
Wine13 Joined: 12/06/2015 Posts: 28 Inactive	totally agree nemesis. take a look at my team history last 12 years goes something like this 2nd,2nd,2nd,1st, relegate,2nd,2nd,2nd,1st,relegate,2nd,2nd,2nd,1st. A pattern I hope to break. Still trying to get over the hump. Won over 90 games in 7 of those years i think
#63500	03/05/2019 7:32:55 am	Oct 24th, 2039	Ignore
mjreichard Joined: 10/22/2016 Posts: 143 New Orleans Knights IV.5	I've had a 102-58 record 2 seasons ago that was a tie for first, but I lost due to RD. I had a 98-62 this year, tied for first, and lost due to RD. Those are the breaks...I am just not a fan of RD as the tie-breaker overall because teams are built differently. Some are pitching/defense, some are high powered offense, etc. Updated Tuesday, March 5 2019 @ 8:41:35 am PST
#63516	03/05/2019 3:03:26 pm	Oct 27th, 2039	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9595 Haverhill Halflings III.1	There is a lot of luck involved in winning. Personally I consider statistics to be a better measure of quality. A team with a higher RD, out scored their opponents by more. To me that is very clear evidence they were the better team, they just had bad luck. I also pretty much ignore Wins for my pitchers. I consider other statistics to be far more telling. Way too much luck and unencapsulated information behind wins.
#63517	03/05/2019 3:08:01 pm	Oct 28th, 2039	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9595 Haverhill Halflings III.1	I am just not a fan of RD as the tie-breaker overall because teams are built differently. Some are pitching/defense, some are high powered offense, etc. Expected win/lose takes that into account. A team that gives up less runs will have a higher expected win number than a team with equivalent RD that gives up more runs. That was why I specified also giving up less runs. Teams to run differently, and pure RD favors offensive oriented teams. Still RD is WAY more indicative of team quality than Wins and Loses.

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