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#43975	01/16/2017 8:16:11 am
amalric7 Joined: 01/20/2016 Posts: 2237 New York Lancers V.4	I'm with these ^ guys, that's exactly what I do - and it works, for the most part.

#43978	01/16/2017 9:34:26 am
Yankee1219 Joined: 12/03/2016 Posts: 113 West Allis Devil Dogs IV.2	That is some great information and some awesome insight into successful waiver wire strategy. This thread is bookmarked, for sure. Thank you all, and good luck with the rest of the season!

#43981	01/16/2017 12:35:22 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Successful may be overstating it. It will at least have you venting due to bad luck instead of winning the wrong guy though. It hurts way more when it is you screwing up than when it is simple bad luck.

#44002	01/17/2017 1:05:15 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	So success is not winning the super competitive big league player waiver claims, but the high potential minor leaguers that were cut? Steve

#44003	01/17/2017 1:43:18 pm
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Depends on the situation. If you are one player away from promoting then that 29 year old 104 SI well built pitcher may be what is needed. On the other hand a 19 year old 16 potential even with low SI is likely to have far more value long term than any 12 potential player. For a team still building the first guy helps only a little, while the second is someone to build around. For a team on the cusp of Legends or even better winning Legends or the cup the first guy could play a pivotal role in putting the team over the top whereas the second guy would take far too long to develop to play any role in the next several seasons.

#44010	01/17/2017 2:51:30 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9596 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Right. Being able to tell exactly the order claims will be processed allows us to choose which is most important for any given situation. If the higher SI guy is your 1st choice, its no harm in leaving the other guy. I don't put in any where near as many claims as I used to. It should eventually get harder for you to find players who are better than the ones you have. If I have one spot open and claims on 3 guys with 10 claims a piece, I let them all go. Count myself lucky if I managed to snag any of them. But if I have one spot and claims on two guys with 2 claims a piece, that is when I consider which guy is higher priority. Updated Tuesday, January 17 2017 @ 2:52:05 pm PST

#44029	01/18/2017 3:04:34 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	So success is not winning the super competitive big league player waiver claims, but the high potential minor leaguers that were cut? I treat major leaguers and minor leaguers as two separate pools with different criteria when I do my waiver rundowns. I didn't want to over-complicate the example I posted earlier, so I went with minor leaguers. They're criteria is easier to convey I think. In Newt's example, I'd choose the 16 POT over the veteran P in every scenario. Forgoing a short-term need to get the full career of a guy who should be a major contributor seems like a no-brainer. I might still decide to leave claims on both if the P does fill a need. Odds of landing the 16 POT would likely be less than one percent and the P would likely be around two/three percent, so you might as well roll the dice as you aren't going to end up with either one anyway.

#44031	01/18/2017 4:11:25 am
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	I seem to have missed the answer to my question in December, and actually, what I found so blatantly obvious doesn't seem to be the case. And I ask myself, why not? It really doesn't make sense to make a player with a ton of claims on him a free agent because the one manager who wins the claim already won another clain and doesn't have a free roster spot. Why can't he simply fall to another claimant? That should be fairly easy to implement in the processing algorithm, either by running an extra pass for these cases or by excluding teams with no open roster spots from the claim processing in the first place. Players should really only become free agents if either nobody claims them or all claiming managers have full rosters.

#44041	01/18/2017 8:48:45 am
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	Why can't he simply fall to another claimant? He does go to another claimant. If you re-read Steve's post, he said they go unclaimed if all the claims are invalid. He seems to be focusing on players with relatively few claims as none of the guys with 50+ claims ever make it to free agency. Updated Wednesday, January 18 2017 @ 8:52:36 am PST

#44042	01/18/2017 8:54:04 am
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	Players should really only become free agents if either nobody claims them or all claiming managers have full rosters. Unless I've been way off base my entire time here, this is the way the waiver system has always worked here. I cannot recall a case where a player with a high number of claims has ever fallen entirely through to FA. If anyone can point to such a case, then I'll admit I was wrong in assuming that was always how this worked.