Broken Bat - Discussion Forum: Closers

Post ID	Date & Time	Game Date	Function

#25754	10/25/2015 6:49:10 pm
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Had another annoying appearance of a setup man tonight: http://brokenbat.org/game/1793374 To start the game, I have two RHS, the LHS and the long reliever perfectly rested. Both setup men (one lefty, one righty), the middle reliever and the closer have light fatigue. I fall behind 5-4 in the top of the 5th. Okay, the game is still within reach, it's not mopup yet, but I have no idea why the game engine brings in a lightly fatigued setup man here instead of a perfectly rested RHS or LHS. There are three switch hitters up followed by a lefty, so if it had to be one of the setup men, I would have picked the lefty. In comes the righty. He gets out of the inning, but blows it in the next inning. It's the 6th inning, I'm in an 8-4 hole, the game's basically gone, there's a switch hitter up followed by two right-handers, and my failing righty setup man gets replaced by my equally fatigued lefty setup man, with the rested RHS, LHS and LR dozing in the bullpen. Fortunately, the next day, the starter can go 7 innings and pass directly to the closer, but the day after that, with the game tied in the top of the 10th, at least one of the setup men is still lightly fatigued, and with the game on the line, the RHS comes in and gives up three ER. This didn't have to happen if we had the possibility of setting a setup man who will actually come in as a setup man...

#25755	10/25/2015 7:08:41 pm
Seca Joined: 05/05/2014 Posts: 5199 Waterloo Dinosaurs Legends	RHSU are for RHB. LHSU are for LHB. If it is a switch hitter, your SU is coming in. Your SU should be a better pitcher than your specialists, Slightly fatigued isn't an issue (adjust your fatigue settings?).

#25770	10/26/2015 2:57:24 am
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Well, if the only difference between SET and LHS/RHS is that (all other things equal) the SET only/always comes in when there's a switch hitter up, there's really no point in selecting the better pitcher for that job than as LHS/RHS. That's exactly my point - I'd like to be able to set a real setup man who pitches the inning before the closer in a save situation (plus is the first or second choice with the game tied in the extra innings in home games).

#25776	10/26/2015 10:05:34 am
Crazy Li Joined: 01/25/2015 Posts: 879 Inactive	In a properly constructed bullpen, a light fatigue SU should be a better option than a fully rested RHS/LHS when hand isn't a factor. Specialists are purely for playing hand matchups

#25784	10/26/2015 2:39:09 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9597 Haverhill Halflings III.1	This works for me. I have a RH that I use as SET. Then I have a couple LHs that I use as LHS. Usually the SET just comes in, but when its a lefty, the LHS will come in and pitch (set his pitch count low if you want to pull him after one).

#25785	10/26/2015 2:42:33 pm
Crazy Li Joined: 01/25/2015 Posts: 879 Inactive	That's how I do it as well. I don't use RHS unless I run out of roles to give to guys.

#25795	10/26/2015 4:37:06 pm
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Just had a perfect situation where a real setup man would have been needed. Bottom of the seventh, I'm leading 5-4, closer ready to come in in the 8th, starter pulled after a leadoff double, switch hitter up. SET would have actually been available with light fatigue (he's a converted starter with 15 stamina, so no problem), RHS lightly fatigued, RHS2 hasn't pitched in a week, so both should have been available, too. Who comes in in this maximum leverage situation? Of course, the MR, my least experienced pitcher, who, naturally, blows the game. It doesn't bother me all that much in the current situation, because I'm still 8 games ahead with 25 left to play, but it's just not good for game strategy settings. Updated Monday, October 26 2015 @ 4:40:00 pm PDT

#25796	10/26/2015 4:52:52 pm
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9597 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Seems like your RHS2 should have come in if his earliest inning is 7. Looking at the pseudo code, I can see why this happened. It seems like the RHS and LHS are not valid choices for a switch hitter. They probably should be. At least before it falls out to the MR/LR check in the close game block.

#25824	10/27/2015 3:08:17 pm
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	Sorry if I'm boring anyone, but this time http://brokenbat.org/game/1793458 , my setup man (Summers until this game, moved him afterwards to have a fresher arm for the job) came in with my team down by four runs in the first(!!!) inning. I know I should have adjusted his first inning setting when I moved him to that job, but there should have been four other relievers available to come in instead, all with first inning 1, including a perfectly rested LR.

#25857	10/28/2015 8:55:58 am
Crazy Li Joined: 01/25/2015 Posts: 879 Inactive	Nope. SU gets top priority when it's less than 5 runs either way. Kinda dumb if you ask me, but that's the way it works. SU is entirely based on run diff and it doesn't matter if you're winning our losing.