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#72647	04/07/2020 4:35:25 pm	Mar 9th, 2045	Ignore
hardhat Joined: 05/26/2013 Posts: 200 Oceanview Woods Grizzlies Legends	What's the lowest range you'd accept from a SS?
#72648	04/07/2020 5:11:12 pm	Mar 10th, 2045	Ignore
Ced Joined: 11/07/2014 Posts: 626 Denver Broncos IV.4	13, but if so, he better be able to do some other things on the diamond.
#72652	04/07/2020 5:47:25 pm	Mar 10th, 2045	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9595 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Probably 15 for me. But same thing, has to be amazing elsewhere to compensate.
#72653	04/07/2020 5:47:26 pm	Mar 10th, 2045	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9595 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Probably 15 for me. But same thing, has to be amazing elsewhere to compensate.
#72659	04/07/2020 9:07:05 pm	Mar 10th, 2045	Ignore
allen54chevy Joined: 11/22/2015 Posts: 475 Inactive	The lowest range I consider at SS: 18. Unless he can hit... then 17. Thats my 2 cents.
#72662	04/07/2020 10:56:39 pm	Mar 10th, 2045	Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Until/unless the game ever changes to show true attempts due to individual stats instead of splattering them across the field, we'll never have any idea. That's why I don't have a hard line on any fielding/range combo. If the dude can hit, he'll play for me. At least I know that's real.
#72669	04/08/2020 2:18:00 pm	Mar 10th, 2045	Ignore
Ken_Kennilworth Joined: 11/26/2019 Posts: 400 Charleston Hawks II.1	Until/unless the game ever changes to show true attempts due to individual stats instead of splattering them across the field, we'll never have any idea. That's why I don't have a hard line on any fielding/range combo. If the dude can hit, he'll play for me. At least I know that's real. re: range -- that has been a problem baseball has had with defense until just the last few years...I believe Bill James suggested a solution back in the 70s which might apply to BrokenBat, but it would be impractical without access to game data...to judge a shortstop's range he suggested counting the number/% of ground balls the went into left & center fields for hits...one would need that data for each player in the league to develop norms thus enabling standards to be calculated.
#72675	04/08/2020 10:47:17 pm	Mar 12th, 2045	Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	Ken, nothing like that will work here. The game doesn't operate that way. As I understand it, the end conclusion is determined first (hit, out, whatever) and then randomly scattered across the field for a declared play. A put by a shortstop here means nothing about the shortstop, other than he didn't commit an error.
#72677	04/09/2020 6:35:49 am	Mar 12th, 2045	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9595 Haverhill Halflings III.1	My understanding is that defensive skills are weighted and averaged across the team. And then things like errors are assigned randomly (hopefully weighted) after the play is determined. So your SS probably attributes at least twice as much Range to your Team Range as your 1B. Presumably CF, SS, and 2B Range are weighted higher than the corners, which is why I try and keep those ranges high.
#72679	04/09/2020 11:05:40 am	Mar 12th, 2045	Ignore
MukilteoMike Joined: 08/09/2014 Posts: 3294 Inactive	In general terms I agree with all of that. We have no idea of the balance or ratios, though. Middle is more important than corner, but we have no idea how much. Same with the outfield. How does the outfield compare to infield for importance? Again, we have no idea.

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