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ChillFunkEz3000
Joined: 03/13/2017
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High Point Shaolin Stars
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
Hey guys. Today I just tried a LHS for the first time.

Have a question: Shouldn't he be pulled out once any RHB is up? In this game he came in on the 7th inning (which checks with the earliest I have him to come in) and faced 5 hitters, the first 4 were LHB, but the 5th one was a RHB (and not a PH), shouldn't he have been replaced for either my SM or even my MR (both check out on the First Inning to come in). Everyone was fresh too since there were no league games yesterday and my team is not in the cup.

I used the diamond setting for smallest and largest rd. The rest I believe should be irrelevant. But I had a 2 hook and 15 pitch limit. Obviously the hook wasn't reached, but should be irrelevant, as soon as a RHB is up he should get pulled, or is this incorrect?
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 9569

Haverhill Halflings
III.1

Broken Bat Baseball
You need to set the Pitch Count to the diamond setting.
ChillFunkEz3000
Joined: 03/13/2017
Posts: 170

High Point Shaolin Stars
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
Cool. Gonna try that. Thanks.
ChillFunkEz3000
Joined: 03/13/2017
Posts: 170

High Point Shaolin Stars
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
Im guessing the LHS never comes in to replace a SET pitcher? At least here it didnt. SET pitcher ended up pitching to 5 straight LHB after entering the 8th to replace a MR and face a RHB.

Is this accurate or I'm still not setting the LHS right?
MukilteoMike
Joined: 08/09/2014
Posts: 3294

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Broken Bat Baseball
A SET guy will stay in until his PC or HOOK is reached. Oh, yeah. He would also be replaced by the closer if his conditions to enter are met.

Updated Tuesday, April 30 2019 @ 5:52:29 pm PDT
ChillFunkEz3000
Joined: 03/13/2017
Posts: 170

High Point Shaolin Stars
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
A SET guy will stay in until his PC or HOOK is reached. Oh, yeah. He would also be replaced by the closer if his conditions to enter are met.

Ok that makes sense, but does it also work like that if instead of a SET pitcher it is a MR pitcher?

Because in in this game the MR came in the 6th, faced a RHB (all good there since the LHS is only penciled in to come in the 7th at the earliest and also it was a RHB). But then the same MR comes back for the 7th faces two RHB (all good there), yet after that he also faces 3 LHB in a row. The LHS only came in because the MR faced those 3 LHB and gave up his hook #of runs and got pulled. After that the LHS faced two LHB and once a RHB got in he was pulled for the SET (worked good here).

So, I'm a bit confused, shouldn't the LHS come in in the 7th once the 1st LHB presented himself? If so, why didn't that happened. Could it be that because I only use the "triangle" for the smallest and largest rd for the LHS but not for any of the other short relievers that may be messing up the correct sequence?
FreddyTheEye
Joined: 11/11/2014
Posts: 625

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Broken Bat Baseball
But then the same MR comes back for the 7th faces two RHB (all good there), yet after that he also faces 3 LHB in a row. The LHS only came in because the MR faced those 3 LHB and gave up his hook #of runs and got pulled. After that the LHS faced two LHB and once a RHB got in he was pulled for the SET (worked good here).

So, I'm a bit confused, shouldn't the LHS come in in the 7th once the 1st LHB presented himself? If so, why didn't that happened. Could it be that because I only use the "triangle" for the smallest and largest rd for the LHS but not for any of the other short relievers that may be messing up the correct sequence?


The MR, once he comes in will stay in until he reaches his pitch count or hook regardless of who is batting or who is ready in the pen.


From the manual:

This is a description of how the relief pitching substitution mechanism works in the current game engine. Hopefully it will give you some insight into how and why a pitching change is made.

Relief pitcher check is run before each batter:

If Save Situation (except for no-hitter)
If Closer Assigned and Available (not injured) and Not Fatigued1 and Not Too Earlier2
Replace current pitcher with closer

If Current Pitcher's Pitch Count or Hook Settings exceeded
If Close Game (trailing by no more than 4 runs [or Smallest RD] or leading by no more than 5 runs [or Largest RD])
Check bullpen in the following order: LHP1/LHP2 versus LHB, RHP1/RPH2 versus RHB, Setupman1/2
If Pitcher Available (not injured) and Not Fatigued1 and Not Too Earlier2
Replace current pitcher
Check remaining bullpen in the following order: MR1/MR2, LR1/LR2, Spot Starter (not checked for 6-man rotations)
If Pitcher Available (not injured) and Not Fatigued1 and Not Too Earlier2
Replace current pitcher

If Excessive Pitch Count3
Check bullpen in the following order: SS, LR1/LR2, MR1/MR2, Setupman1/2, RHP1/RPH2, LHP1/LHP2, Closer, Unassigned
If Pitcher Available (not injured) and Not Fatigued1
Replace current pitcher
Check bullpen in the following order: SS, LR1/LR2, MR1/MR2, Setupman1/2, RHP1/RPH2, LHP1/LHP2, Closer, Unassigned
If Pitcher Available (not injured)
Replace current pitcher

1 - Whether a pitcher is fatigued from previous appearances is dependent upon the amount of pitches he threw, how much rest he's had since and the Fatigue Limit management setting for the pitcher

2 - Too ealier is before First Inning Used management setting for that pitcher

3 - Excessive pitch count is defined as above 155 for starting pitchers and 105 for relief pitchers. This is a different mechanism than the Pitch Count management setting. It's basic function is to limit pitchers from throwing an unrealistic number of pitches just because the bullpen is fatigued or thin.

ChillFunkEz3000
Joined: 03/13/2017
Posts: 170

High Point Shaolin Stars
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
The MR, once he comes in will stay in until he reaches his pitch count or hook regardless of who is batting or who is ready in the pen.

From the manual:

This is a description of how the relief pitching substitution mechanism works in the current game engine. Hopefully it will give you some insight into how and why a pitching change is made. (........)


Nice, thanks. It did work as the game intends it to work then. Guess it's on me to adjust the pitch count/hook of my MR's if I want my LHS to come in a bit earlier, the rest of the triggers were met.

Seca
Joined: 05/05/2014
Posts: 5194

Waterloo Dinosaurs
Legends

Broken Bat Baseball
Guess it's on me to adjust the pitch count/hook of my MR's if I want my LHS to come in a bit earlier, the rest of the triggers were met.

Think that may bite you more often than it helps you.

Maybe the most awkward scenario is having your long man (with like an 80-100 pitch count) come in when you are down 5-6, and then you rally to make the game close. Your long man continues to chuck away in the late innings while your setup men play cards behind the RF wall.

Makes you think a second closer-like role (even a closer 1 and a closer 2) that overrides hooks/pitch counts based on context might have value. Then one of the "closers" could be used to bounce whoever is in the game in the 7th or 8th inning (starter, MR, LR) and get your bullpen chain rolling. Or maybe just closer 1 = 8th inning guy, closer 2 = 9th inning guy.

I personally wouldn't use it. I don't use the closer b/c the override often removes a pitcher who is pitching well.
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 9569

Haverhill Halflings
III.1

Broken Bat Baseball
I use a closer because I only have one pitcher who pitches well.


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