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RDailey1948
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Thanks for the links to individual skill range and scouting report verbage for hitting etc.

I have been unable to find:
1) The estimated final SI range for the different overall Potentials for pitchers and hitters?

2) Also the Scouting terms like "Good overall potential", "above average potential", very good potential", etc?

3) Do the SI ranges for the terms in 2) vary between a 12, 13 or 14 Potential player?

Thanks! I know these are out there as they are referred to by many but I haven't found them...

Updated Thursday, February 16 2017 @ 8:55:23 am PST
Seca
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Each level of potential represents 8 SI.

So for 12 potential you expect 8(12) = 96. Since 13 potential starts at 104, 12 pot guys range from 96 to 103.

Note some guys never reach their potential, and a few exceed by a point.

There are some really good posts describing the anecdotal scouting comments. I expect someone will be along that has the link saved.
RDailey1948
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Thanks Seca.
That helps.
I'd guess my 2) question answer would be a guestimate that good = mid range, above avg = slightly above and very good in the upper portion of the particular Potential range.
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1) The estimated final SI range for the different overall Potentials for pitchers and hitters?

2) Also the Scouting terms like "Good overall potential", "above average potential", very good potential", etc?

3) Do the SI ranges for the terms in 2) vary between a 12, 13 or 14 Potential player?



1) At 10 potential, the cap is 87 SI for 97% of the players. add 8 SI for each potential, and you have the potential SI cap for each level of potential (so 95, 103, 111, 119, etc).

2) Above average that i've seen has been broad 10-13, narrow 11-12. Good 11-14, narrow 12-13. very good has been 12-16, narrow 13-14. no potential comment has at times been 11, but usually falls to 8-10.

3) I view potential in a really oddball way probably, but i look at it as where the game has predetermined that player is going to finish. So if a guy "has some pop" on his fastball, and is at 10/9/8/9/10 10/10/10 on pitching ratings, he's likely to stop improving once he gets to 14/13/13/13/14 14/10/10 assuming that other comments allow for those increases to occur and all ratings increase at the same pace roughly (the same pace is EXTREMELY unlikely by the way, but for this example i made it easy and said they do). That would be a 101 potential pitcher at his maximum, and that 101 falls in the 12 potential range, so the player is listed as a 12.

3rd question i think there are probably 4-5 viewpoints on how it works, the first two are pretty standard.
Squiddcatt
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FurkSK I once had a guy with 13 pot and 0 potential report how strange.

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RDailey1948
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Thanks FurySK.
I'd wager you are correct on your model that the comment comes from predetermined performance.
BrianV
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I'll just re-post the below from Rock77. It's go-to info that I saved from another thread and refer back to regularly.

I don't think there is one, but this is the info I have compiled:

Velocity
18 - 20 -> fastball unhittable
16 - 18 -> strike out pitcher
14 - 16 -> major league fastball
12 - 14 -> have some pop
0 - 12 ---> nothing

Movement
17 - 20 -> curveball/slider exceptional
14 - 17 -> major league curveball/slider
0 - 14 ---> nothing

Stamina
17 - 20 -> throw all day
14 - 17 -> starting pitcher
9 - 14 ---> nothing
0 - 8 -- --> few innings

Control
10 - 20 -> nothing
8 - 10 ---> Control below average
6 - 8 -- --> Lacking
0 - 6 -- --> Wild

Hitting
18 - 20 -> great hitter
15 - 17 -> very good hitter
13 - 15 -> good hitter
7 - 13 ---> nothing
0 - 7 -- --> never be a decent hitter

Power
17 - 20 -> prolific slugger
14 - 17 -> decent slugger
11 - 14 -> above average slugger
0 - 11 ---> nothing

Fielding
17 - 20 -> amazing in the field
15 - 17 -> outstanding in the field
13 - 15 -> solid in the field
9 - 12 ---> nothing
8 - 9 -- --> below average fielder
6 - 7 -- --> poor fielder
0 - 6 -- --> atrocious fielder

Speed
17 - 20 -> really quick
14 - 17 -> decent speed
7 - 13 ---> nothing
0 - 7 -- --> not very fast


Logic would seem to dictate that all of these scales should overlap, so I believe there are a few small holes in this data. If anyone has evidence addressing one of those holes, I'd appreciate a mail.

Also note - you can have up to 14 with no rating in curveball, but only 12 with no rating in fastball. A "major league curveball" caps at 17, while a "major league fastball" caps at 16. The scales are all a little different.

Rock777
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BTW, this was never really finalized for edge cases. For instance I'm pretty sure "Very Good Hitter" actually goes to 18.
Tiger504
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I've got a fully developed "great hitter" with 16 hitting. He's a 12 pot at 103 SI. Brett Ma if anyone wants to look at him.

I've also got no rating fielder with a 13. Kyle Pitts.
Rock777
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We've been seeing a lot more of those recently. Probably either overrated by the scouts (scouting report), or underrated by the coaching staff (attributes).


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