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jetsrock48
Joined: 11/25/2013
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My outfield is very young. The two players I am asking about are:

http://brokenbat.org/player/93347

http://brokenbat.org/player/98725

The first guy, James Baxter, was promoted at the beginning of last season and started off with a lowercase 'of' but has now achieved the uppercase 'OF'. I played him in CF all season and he made a good amount of errors but should be good now wherever he plays in the outfield.

The second guy, Bruce Grady, was promoted at the end of last season. He is my future center fielder but currently has a lowercase 'of'.

So my question is if I should play Baxter at center and Grady in left field until he gets his uppercase 'OF'? Or should I leave him in center and let him learn the position there?

*Right field is not an option here. I just promoted another guy who is my future right fielder and he already has the uppercase 'OF' so I would like to leave him there.

Updated Saturday, June 20 2015 @ 10:50:08 am PDT
Tiger504
Joined: 06/17/2014
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I played Paul Schmidt in RF until he had his upper case OF and then moved him to CF. I would suggest doing the same type of thing as long as you have a fully qualified OF who is capable to play CF.
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
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You might want to find a future CF who can actually field the ball. Its ok to put bad fielders at RF and LF, but I would try to put a decent defensive player at CF...
Brewnoe
Joined: 03/25/2014
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Guessing that Howell is the RF?

First, nice collection of offense, range and arm.
Second, if Howell is the future RF, I'd go LF-Baxter, CF-Howell, RF-Grady for now.
That would put your lower case of (who happens to have the best arm) in right.

Once they're all fully qualified OF, Howell and Grady will be pretty much interchangeable defensively.
And hopefully by the time Serna gets too expensive / declines too much you'll have found a CF with a glove and Baxter (worst arm/worst glove) can move to DH.

The other question is how to take best advantage of that kind of outfield range ... play your home games in Denali National Park?

I'll be looking at a slightly more defensive version of the same problem in a few seasons with
Mondragon - solid/17r/18a
Gamez - (blank)/18r/15a
Jordan - solid/18r/18a
jetsrock48
Joined: 11/25/2013
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Thanks for the replies guys. I think I will take Brewnoe's advice and play Howell at CF, with Grady playing RF and Baxter at LF.

@Rock777 Why do you think Grady is not a compatible CF? His scouting report says he will be a below avg fielder so I'm think he will have anywhere from 8-11 in the fielding category. To me, that's perfect for playing center. Anything more than that for fielding and I'd prefer him playing the infield rather than outfield.
Rock777
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Below average means he will max out at 8 or 9. To me an optimal CF would have at least average fielding. They make a lot of plays so there is a lot more room for error then in the corners.

Last year your CF made 13 errors in 530 attempts which is really good for a guy with 6 fielding.

Conversely, your LF (who played more games) made 7 errors in 360 attempts, and your RF made 0 errors in 290 attempts, and your 3B made 6 errors in 377 attempts. So as you can see, your CF gets a lot of attempts, which means a lot more opportunity for errors.

Updated Tuesday, June 23 2015 @ 4:49:34 pm PDT
Brewnoe
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I really wouldn't want to play any of the 3 in CF long-term either ... a LOT of balls land in center ... and every OF error is 2 bases.

Stone Mason was one of only 2 young 13pot hitters on the roster when I got my team (and I picked up an insanely good "pure DH" off the FA list) .. I pushed back the right-center fence to take advantage of his range and he was serviceable.

Navarette was the other young 13 (while he should have been a 2B) ... in roughly the same number of games, he had the same number of errors with twice as many fielding attempts. But - he started playing CF with no "of" skill vs. "OF" ... throw out those seasons and he had 1/4 the errors per attempt.

Defense up the middle is huge.
It's why I'm teaching Scooter 2B instead of pushing Knight for all-time team HR leader


garfscores
Joined: 10/13/2014
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Brewnoe, you just proved that fielding doesn't matter much in the of by showing those two guys. A 19 field guy has a tiny bit higher fielding percentage than a 5 field guy. I'd rather have the extra 14 points in hitting stats in my of. Give me the lowest field and highest ranges and arms possible for my of. That will maximize my hitting. The hitting will far exceed the 2 or 3 errors the guy is going to make extra.
Brewnoe
Joined: 03/25/2014
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A 19 field guy has a tiny bit higher fielding percentage than a 5 field guy.



Tiny bit ... but roughly 75% closer to perfect if you don't include the seasons where the 19 guy had no / lower-case position experience.
(and I did say I should have made the 19 guy a 2B)

Don't forget, the high fielding CF with 14 range had 4.6 attempts per game while the low fielding RF with 17 range (and a pushed back right-center fence) only had 2.5 per game ... double the attempts, quadruple the error-rate ... those 2 base errors will add up.
garfscores
Joined: 10/13/2014
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Quadruple the error rate? So four errors in a season instead of one??? Ok. I think I could make up for those eight bases during the year with more hitting. And the chances per game could have been because of your pitching staff changing from a fly ball to a ground ball staff or vice versa.


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