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#16374	03/21/2015 2:38:39 am		Ignore
ElPolloLoco Joined: 05/02/2014 Posts: 2 Inactive	oh ok thanks
#16382	03/21/2015 9:40:50 am		Ignore
tc_ferdzz Joined: 11/13/2011 Posts: 135 Inactive	does anyone know how big the penalty is?...if i have a left handed 2B'er should i just drop him or train him at a different position???or if he becomes really good is the penalty minor enough that it is still worth keeping him?
#16385	03/21/2015 10:27:02 am		Ignore
afreespirit Joined: 09/17/2011 Posts: 305 Inactive	No one knows how much of a penalty there is. I believe it is currently applied to fielding, although in real life fielding is not the issue. For a LH 2B in real life, it is extremely difficult to be the pivot man on a DP. Having a LH 2B should reduce your chances of turning a 6-4-3, 5-4-3 or 1-4-3 to almost never.
#16388	03/21/2015 2:48:49 pm		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	@tc, no, the specific amount of the penalty is unknown, though I will say that the left handed penalty on catchers was dramatically noticeable in the second half of last season after the tweak. My lefty catcher with a career near 50% CS rate caught only 2 runners in the second half versus 37 steals allowed. I got virtually no double plays the season I had a lefty thrower at second three seasons back, despite his 2B position experience. @afreespirit, real life is irrelevant to the question, and please don't re-open that inconclusive debate.
#16389	03/21/2015 3:05:50 pm		Ignore
afreespirit Joined: 09/17/2011 Posts: 305 Inactive	Well newtman, when did you become the forum police? If I choose to answer a question from someone I will answer it in my own way, not according the rules as set down by you. So piss off.
#16405	03/21/2015 9:35:31 pm		Ignore
tc_ferdzz Joined: 11/13/2011 Posts: 135 Inactive	so, would you think it would be worth it to continue training him as a 2B if he can become really good? or just start him up at another position? i don't see how being a lefty would really hurt a catcher, except maybe throwing to third...
#16410	03/22/2015 3:41:32 am		Ignore
Haselrig Joined: 04/13/2014 Posts: 2790 Novi Doubledays III.4	tc_ferdzz, it's just one of those things that we just don't have enough information yet to really say for sure. Ideally, the advantage of having a lefty hitter in a traditionally righty spot would come somewhat close to making it worth having the fielding penalty. We just don't have a way to do a proper cost/benefit on it until enough anecdotal evidence piles up and we can start to make clearer assumptions about the penalty.
#16434	03/22/2015 3:37:28 pm		Ignore
Jayman Joined: 01/22/2015 Posts: 89 Inactive	Well if it helps the data I was wondering that myself and now I know why my team basically had no DPs Also I think with a lefty catcher the disadvantage is in the fact that when a player is stealing second and the catcher is behind a righty batter he has to get around the batter to throw costing important moments for getting the ball off to 2b
#16443	03/22/2015 5:31:11 pm		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	@Jayman, if a lefty catcher is hindered behind a righty batter then a righty catcher would be hindered behind a lefty batter. Why I asked afreespirit not to re-open that topic was because it resulted in a 50+ post discussion on whether lefties should have a penalty or not where a lot of people made a lot of claims, but because no real life examples exist it just resulted in a lot of polemics.
#16486	03/23/2015 10:59:32 am		Ignore
Jayman Joined: 01/22/2015 Posts: 89 Inactive	I guess my logic was that righties are more prevalent

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