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wuggla
Joined: 05/10/2013
Posts: 835

Colorado Springs Buzzards
II.2

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1st not evry one is playing young team. 2nd "bot" teams do same thing calling up 19yo who not ready and play them. 3rd stunt from missing minors does not happen to all. 4th The payments are on Fridays update should not be penalty for stupidity. If you call a .20 up he gets paid .50 regardless. 5th Your asking that Minor should go back down to .20 this would encourage what your trying to stop. 6th as owner you do not have to place waivers on .50 16yo or sign him as free agent. 7th the "poison" of minor is a myth if he is good and he's on your team you paying .30 extra for him is your choice he is worth .50 if he's that good and will play on your team as major.
JohnnyBoi62
Joined: 06/21/2019
Posts: 307

Florissant Falcons
III.3

Broken Bat Baseball
Wuggla I just want to make sure you know the full extent of the issue here. Taylor has been signing >200 people a year, most of them 17 year olds up until now. If he promotes, plays, then discards them all, the yearly financial impact of that on the rest of the league is 300k x 200 = $60MM. If you consider that they wouldn’t normally promote until 24ish, it could be as high as $500-$600MM. Obviously they aren’t all keepers, but hopefully you can understand someone acting completely irresponsibly shouldn’t have lasting financial impacts on everyone else. To me that is more damaging. If we adopt a small fee per transaction then give some leniency on how shuttle bus riders are paid, I think it would be a net win for people who want to hold and develop talent and dampen the noise of “disrupters”.

Plus I always like to see how it compares to reality. The salary adjustments i proposed match up with how minor leaguers salaries are handled as they transition to majors. Just because you take 1 major league at bat as a 21 year old does not mean you pull the MLB minimum for the rest of your career, and I don’t think that should be the case here either.
texg8r
Joined: 05/22/2020
Posts: 45

Pembroke Pines Gators
VI.1

Broken Bat Baseball
I want to bring up another issue in regards to what Taylor is doing that effects the game. Albeit not a huge thing, but teams in his division are having their players' stats inflated due to playing a ridiculously low level of competition. This will inflate their salaries, as well. Not to mention make it more difficult to scout free agents coming from that league. Check out Taylor's RD last season, it's insane. The stats from that league aren't normalized.
wuggla
Joined: 05/10/2013
Posts: 835

Colorado Springs Buzzards
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
I seen your points. It does not effect others financial unless they signed the player on roster till Fridays update. So if I grabbed 50 17yo and dropped them I don't pay a thing. You want me to pay for them I say No I won't pay anything is better. It still owners choice to sign a player if you want him pay him. If he has 1 game at 21 and still on your team maybe maybe maybe maybe he should have pay cut.
But why would you call him up? Hire free agent if injury is reason. If your going by theory of calling minor to play 1 Cup game you should not get a pay cut. Only call em up when he's ready is best policy.
JohnnyBoi62
Joined: 06/21/2019
Posts: 307

Florissant Falcons
III.3

Broken Bat Baseball
I'll give one more explanation in the form of a personal example:

http://brokenbat.org/player/213775
http://brokenbat.org/player/234416
http://brokenbat.org/player/193221
http://brokenbat.org/player/231898

I brought these guys up for some reps at the end of last year (pretty much in the last week). None of them have "meaningfully" contributed to the falcons yet, and yet now all will be pulling in $500k/yr for the rest of time. Under my proposal if I had moved them back down, i would have paid 1 week @ $50k, and then their salaries would have reverted to $20k/week.

If both changes are adopted (this plus say $50k/transaction add), I'm saving something like $120K/week due to fluctuating salary, so that allows me to average just over 2 transactions per week and it will be a financial "net zero" impact. I think that's pretty reasonable, in fact maybe we'd try some earlier promotions with guys which is not necessarily a bad thing. They'll get some experience but they have to cross that "performance bar" to justify the salary bump, so there's an incentive to move them back down actually not keep them up.

***Actually one more example: Claudio Longoria:
http://brokenbat.org/player/250089
One of the whack jobs Taylor churned out. Granted he was a great prospect so i'm willing to eat years of a 500k salary for him regardless, but last year I paid him an extra 300k just to sit around and develop in the minors. He's still in A ball so even if he develops quickly i'll have to do that for another 2-3 seasons, so i'm paying him about $1MM more than i would under my suggestion. That would allow me to make 20 transactions if each had a flat fee of $50k/transaction, which is the league minimum for each update, which i think is fair.

I just thought of an interesting way to indicate this too. When you draft someone they start out as a "green apple" on the profile, showing that you drafted them but they still have their rookie tag. When they turn 25 and/or acquire enough big league experience (ABs and IPs), they lose their tag and the apple turns red, and then their salary won't revert anymore and they can start negotiating contracts etc...

The more I think about it the more i like it. it encourages SMART roster moves, perhaps even a few extra transactions + more active owners for those who self develop and are willing to jockey some guys around like real life, and then it dampens completely odd behavior of people just generating noise in the game.
JohnnyBoi62
Joined: 06/21/2019
Posts: 307

Florissant Falcons
III.3

Broken Bat Baseball
Wuggla that's what shuttle bus riders are for in MLB. They get a call on a tuesday morning because the big league catcher went down last night, and by tuesday night they are in the duggout with shinguards on waiting to go in if the next guy goes down too.

One of the main uses of the minor league system is to fill those needs for the big league club throughout the course of a season.

Updated Friday, September 4 2020 @ 7:44:01 am PDT
wuggla
Joined: 05/10/2013
Posts: 835

Colorado Springs Buzzards
II.2

Broken Bat Baseball
Not saying anything about effects on stats influence of players in same league. Their players will get pay raised is nothing to do with this "Suggested" change.
JohnnyBoi62
Joined: 06/21/2019
Posts: 307

Florissant Falcons
III.3

Broken Bat Baseball
it would actually because if taylor had to pay $50k/transaction and tried to do 200 transactions, they would lose $60MM from their financials, and you can only keep that up for a year or two before going bankrupt.

I think at this point the other teams in this league would prefer a bot to what's going on now...
texg8r
Joined: 05/22/2020
Posts: 45

Pembroke Pines Gators
VI.1

Broken Bat Baseball
Well, I just checked out his roster now and he has completely flipped. Now the whole roster is 33 or older.
Rock777
Joined: 09/21/2014
Posts: 7427

Haverhill Halflings
III.1

Broken Bat Baseball
Yes. He is doing something different with his Brandon and Kingsport teams as well. Still a LOT of churn, but not nearly as bad as when he first took over the teams and cut all the good players.







Updated Friday, September 4 2020 @ 8:47:32 am PDT


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