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#15869	03/10/2015 11:50:01 pm		Ignore
newtman Joined: 11/02/2013 Posts: 3343 Inactive	There is no magic number which can be used to objectively say whether a player is hot or cold, partly because it is a subjective idea and partly because there will always be outliers which don't fit the norm. It is plausible for a slugger to skew the OPS with some home runs, but otherwise stink up his ABs and it is possible for a pitcher to get himself out of the jams he creates without any damage being done.
#15884	03/11/2015 4:48:26 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	Maybe we can ask Dan Patrick what is the criteria for a player being "en fuego"... Steve
#15885	03/11/2015 5:22:58 pm		Ignore
Dcmrulz Joined: 02/14/2013 Posts: 588 Inactive	Well obviously someone that has a very high K/IP ratio.
#15932	03/13/2015 4:42:30 am		Ignore
Philliesworld Joined: 10/17/2014 Posts: 787 Pierre Jacobins III.3	Dcmrulz, if a pitcher pitched 30 scorless innings with just 1 k, he wouldn't be hot? Updated Friday, March 13 2015 @ 4:43:16 am PDT Updated Friday, March 13 2015 @ 4:43:36 am PDT
#15935	03/13/2015 5:52:53 am		Ignore
Holmes Joined: 11/07/2013 Posts: 1175 Inactive	This is obviously not worth turning into a field of science, but subjectively, I also had the impression that the form graph overvalues AVE as opposed to OBP and SLG and, for pitchers, ERA over WHIP and Ks. That is a bit annoying for pitchers, as ERA over three games is clearly a crapshoot, especially for relievers, while the peripherals tend to stabilize at least a little bit faster.
#15950	03/13/2015 9:37:44 am
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	In general, when you watch on TV or listen on the radio to a ball game, the announcer might say something like “Slugger Joe has been really hot lately, hitting .456 in his last 30 at bats”. Maybe he mentions how many home runs he’s hit recently. But in general, he looking at batting average and making a quick judgment based on that. So that’s why I used that for the hot/cold determination. They don’t normally quote OBP, SLG or OPS. For pitchers, I used ERA. Not sure if this is the best metric to use. WHIP & BAA are really secondary statistics, even if they might be more accurate indicators of how a pitcher has performed. If you want, those additional values are all available as a hover over or on the team statistics page. Steve
#15980	03/13/2015 5:11:18 pm		Ignore
Jayman Joined: 01/22/2015 Posts: 89 Inactive	Just my opinion but I have always felt that ERA is over rated and WHIP is the better stat to go by. You could in an extreme circumstance have a pitcher with an ERA of 1.00 and a WHIP of 3.00 or even higher, in an unlikely extreme case. In that case perhaps great fielding continuously gets him out of the jam or perhaps he just gets lucky when the bases are loaded. ERA in my mind can be misleading and can depend on the fielders to some extent (a bad fielder might not be making errors but perhaps doesn't have a strong enough arm to get the ball to 1st in time). WHIP however is only effected by the pitcher.
#15986	03/13/2015 5:39:27 pm		Ignore
Jayman Joined: 01/22/2015 Posts: 89 Inactive	I'm wrong. That fielder getting the ball to first in not enough time effects WHIP too
#15994	03/13/2015 6:30:21 pm
admin Joined: 01/27/2010 Posts: 4985 Administrator	There is no perfect metric. WHIP is a great statistic, but it counts a HR the same as a single. Steve
#16007	03/14/2015 5:29:42 am		Ignore
Jayman Joined: 01/22/2015 Posts: 89 Inactive	Good point. There is no true decider like you say.

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