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#77089	09/03/2020 11:57:47 am	Feb 12th, 2047	Ignore
Kinthin Joined: 04/04/2020 Posts: 153 Inactive	So I know this past season we had some teams decide fielding a team of 17 y/o's and 18 y/o's was a good idea. Obviously it was a terrible idea. It did however adjust the younger players salary to now 0.5m vs the traditional 0.2m for a minors level player. This can seriously inhibit the allure of a younger player and sway whether or not that player would be given time to grow and promote through the minors. My thought is if it would be possible for the players salary to revert back down to 0.2m if they spent a game year without being promoted back to the majors roster.
#77090	09/03/2020 12:05:56 pm	Feb 12th, 2047	Ignore
JohnnyBoi62 Joined: 06/21/2019 Posts: 356 Florissant Falcons VI.21	Decent point too Kinthin. I believe for shuttle bus riders in real life, you only get paid the league minimum salary (in this case $500K)for the portion of the season you are on the big league roster. If we wanted to adapt that for broken bat, I think the easiest way to do it is if at any point during the previous week the player was on the big league roster, they would get paid 1/10th of a $500k/year salary, and if they weren't (being in the minors the whole week) they would get paid 1/10th of a $200k/year salary. This way the shenanigans going on in Taylor would only hurt Taylor, and the financial impacts would revert every week. I just want to say for the right prospects, the financial difference is not all that great unless you are in very dire straights money wise. I hope if you're finding keepers from the Taylor carnage, you're still giving them the time of day!
#77100	09/03/2020 1:07:59 pm	Feb 12th, 2047	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9599 Haverhill Halflings III.1	+1 The right prospect might be worth it, but its more than doubling your minor league salary which could be prohibitive (and damaging) for teams running on a tight margin.
#77101	09/03/2020 1:59:39 pm	Feb 12th, 2047	Ignore
hurstdm Joined: 01/18/2017 Posts: 576 Murfreesboro Moo Cows VI.5	This is an excellent point why Steve the Admin shouldn't allow excessive churning of young players. I hadn't thought of this. It complicates those prospects for everyone else and poisons the pool. The difference between $0.2M and $0.5M is surprisingly a lot and adds up. I think the problem here isn't making some change to how salary works. It's policing anyone doing excessive churning of young talent. Has that stopped? I'm also starting to believe there should be a ban on owners with multiple teams, but that's sort of another issue.
#77102	09/03/2020 2:13:36 pm	Feb 15th, 2047	Ignore
Kinthin Joined: 04/04/2020 Posts: 153 Inactive	I like the 1/10th aspect, I(with no coding exp/understanding) would believe it to be feasible. I could see however it could be gamed by just putting that player down for the financial processing. However, doesn’t the training update take place at this time too, so you’d potentially be missing out on the correct training updates?
#77105	09/03/2020 3:10:04 pm	Feb 16th, 2047	Ignore
JohnnyBoi62 Joined: 06/21/2019 Posts: 356 Florissant Falcons VI.21	Just want to clarify that my comment earlier was if at any time in the previous week you spent time on the big league roster, then you get paid the big league minimum for that week ($50k vs $20k). Maybe after 25 this rule stops and if ever promoted they just stay at $500k/yr salary from then on. I also think the suggestions about paying a portion of each players salary up front whenever you acquire them will help dampen the noise on excessive add/drops. You’d just tank your war chest if you plan on doing >200 adds in a season, which has been done.
#77107	09/03/2020 4:19:42 pm	Feb 17th, 2047	Ignore
wuggla Joined: 05/10/2013 Posts: 1059 Colorado Springs Vultures VI.28	No -1 if owners do bad we all should not pay for it.
#77117	09/04/2020 5:21:59 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
Kinthin Joined: 04/04/2020 Posts: 153 Inactive	Hey Wuggla, could you expand on your thought please? I’m not trying to be rude, but I dont understand the context of your view. Thanks
#77120	09/04/2020 6:05:26 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
wuggla Joined: 05/10/2013 Posts: 1059 Colorado Springs Vultures VI.28	1st not evry one is playing young team. 2nd "bot" teams do same thing calling up 19yo who not ready and play them. 3rd stunt from missing minors does not happen to all. 4th The payments are on Fridays update should not be penalty for stupidity. If you call a .20 up he gets paid .50 regardless. 5th Your asking that Minor should go back down to .20 this would encourage what your trying to stop. 6th as owner you do not have to place waivers on .50 16yo or sign him as free agent. 7th the "poison" of minor is a myth if he is good and he's on your team you paying .30 extra for him is your choice he is worth .50 if he's that good and will play on your team as major.
#77124	09/04/2020 7:06:09 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
JohnnyBoi62 Joined: 06/21/2019 Posts: 356 Florissant Falcons VI.21	Wuggla I just want to make sure you know the full extent of the issue here. Taylor has been signing >200 people a year, most of them 17 year olds up until now. If he promotes, plays, then discards them all, the yearly financial impact of that on the rest of the league is 300k x 200 = $60MM. If you consider that they wouldn’t normally promote until 24ish, it could be as high as $500-$600MM. Obviously they aren’t all keepers, but hopefully you can understand someone acting completely irresponsibly shouldn’t have lasting financial impacts on everyone else. To me that is more damaging. If we adopt a small fee per transaction then give some leniency on how shuttle bus riders are paid, I think it would be a net win for people who want to hold and develop talent and dampen the noise of “disrupters”. Plus I always like to see how it compares to reality. The salary adjustments i proposed match up with how minor leaguers salaries are handled as they transition to majors. Just because you take 1 major league at bat as a 21 year old does not mean you pull the MLB minimum for the rest of your career, and I don’t think that should be the case here either.
#77126	09/04/2020 7:26:58 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
texg8r Joined: 05/22/2020 Posts: 92 Pembroke Pines Gators IV.2	I want to bring up another issue in regards to what Taylor is doing that effects the game. Albeit not a huge thing, but teams in his division are having their players' stats inflated due to playing a ridiculously low level of competition. This will inflate their salaries, as well. Not to mention make it more difficult to scout free agents coming from that league. Check out Taylor's RD last season, it's insane. The stats from that league aren't normalized.
#77127	09/04/2020 7:38:02 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
wuggla Joined: 05/10/2013 Posts: 1059 Colorado Springs Vultures VI.28	I seen your points. It does not effect others financial unless they signed the player on roster till Fridays update. So if I grabbed 50 17yo and dropped them I don't pay a thing. You want me to pay for them I say No I won't pay anything is better. It still owners choice to sign a player if you want him pay him. If he has 1 game at 21 and still on your team maybe maybe maybe maybe he should have pay cut. But why would you call him up? Hire free agent if injury is reason. If your going by theory of calling minor to play 1 Cup game you should not get a pay cut. Only call em up when he's ready is best policy.
#77128	09/04/2020 7:40:17 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
JohnnyBoi62 Joined: 06/21/2019 Posts: 356 Florissant Falcons VI.21	I'll give one more explanation in the form of a personal example: http://brokenbat.org/player/213775 http://brokenbat.org/player/234416 http://brokenbat.org/player/193221 http://brokenbat.org/player/231898 I brought these guys up for some reps at the end of last year (pretty much in the last week). None of them have "meaningfully" contributed to the falcons yet, and yet now all will be pulling in $500k/yr for the rest of time. Under my proposal if I had moved them back down, i would have paid 1 week @ $50k, and then their salaries would have reverted to $20k/week. If both changes are adopted (this plus say $50k/transaction add), I'm saving something like $120K/week due to fluctuating salary, so that allows me to average just over 2 transactions per week and it will be a financial "net zero" impact. I think that's pretty reasonable, in fact maybe we'd try some earlier promotions with guys which is not necessarily a bad thing. They'll get some experience but they have to cross that "performance bar" to justify the salary bump, so there's an incentive to move them back down actually not keep them up. ***Actually one more example: Claudio Longoria: http://brokenbat.org/player/250089 One of the whack jobs Taylor churned out. Granted he was a great prospect so i'm willing to eat years of a 500k salary for him regardless, but last year I paid him an extra 300k just to sit around and develop in the minors. He's still in A ball so even if he develops quickly i'll have to do that for another 2-3 seasons, so i'm paying him about $1MM more than i would under my suggestion. That would allow me to make 20 transactions if each had a flat fee of $50k/transaction, which is the league minimum for each update, which i think is fair. I just thought of an interesting way to indicate this too. When you draft someone they start out as a "green apple" on the profile, showing that you drafted them but they still have their rookie tag. When they turn 25 and/or acquire enough big league experience (ABs and IPs), they lose their tag and the apple turns red, and then their salary won't revert anymore and they can start negotiating contracts etc... The more I think about it the more i like it. it encourages SMART roster moves, perhaps even a few extra transactions + more active owners for those who self develop and are willing to jockey some guys around like real life, and then it dampens completely odd behavior of people just generating noise in the game.
#77129	09/04/2020 7:43:33 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
JohnnyBoi62 Joined: 06/21/2019 Posts: 356 Florissant Falcons VI.21	Wuggla that's what shuttle bus riders are for in MLB. They get a call on a tuesday morning because the big league catcher went down last night, and by tuesday night they are in the duggout with shinguards on waiting to go in if the next guy goes down too. One of the main uses of the minor league system is to fill those needs for the big league club throughout the course of a season. Updated Friday, September 4 2020 @ 7:44:01 am PDT
#77130	09/04/2020 7:46:12 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
wuggla Joined: 05/10/2013 Posts: 1059 Colorado Springs Vultures VI.28	Not saying anything about effects on stats influence of players in same league. Their players will get pay raised is nothing to do with this "Suggested" change.
#77131	09/04/2020 7:50:13 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
JohnnyBoi62 Joined: 06/21/2019 Posts: 356 Florissant Falcons VI.21	it would actually because if taylor had to pay $50k/transaction and tried to do 200 transactions, they would lose $60MM from their financials, and you can only keep that up for a year or two before going bankrupt. I think at this point the other teams in this league would prefer a bot to what's going on now...
#77132	09/04/2020 8:08:49 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
texg8r Joined: 05/22/2020 Posts: 92 Pembroke Pines Gators IV.2	Well, I just checked out his roster now and he has completely flipped. Now the whole roster is 33 or older.
#77134	09/04/2020 8:47:17 am	Feb 19th, 2047	Ignore
Rock777 Joined: 09/21/2014 Posts: 9599 Haverhill Halflings III.1	Yes. He is doing something different with his Brandon and Kingsport teams as well. Still a LOT of churn, but not nearly as bad as when he first took over the teams and cut all the good players. Updated Friday, September 4 2020 @ 8:47:32 am PDT

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